Please stop making Eureka

[Nariel]

One of the biggest problems is all the people who say they hate Eureka but "only do it for the relic/hair/glamour" then complain non-stop about Eureka.

Don't do Eureka just for some item or hairstyle. That makes you a number on Eureka's Participation records, showing Yoshi that "People are playing this!" Just don't play it at all.

In a way, those who unhappily play Eureka are part of the problem simply because they help bump participation numbers.

What if people value those thing higher than the pain in the ass Eureka is ? What choice do they have ? Do they really have to forget about what make them stay subscribe just because Eureka is bad ? I value my BRD relic so much for glamour reason and collection enough for me to endure it and release my hate for it where it belong in the saltiest way I can find beceause as a Lalafell I'm entitled to be mean and cute.

[BillyKaplan]

What if people value those thing higher than the pain in the ass Eureka is ? What choice do they have ? Do they really have to forget about what make them stay subscribe just because Eureka is bad ? I value my BRD relic so much for glamour reason and collection enough for me to endure it and release my hate for it were it belong.

Then you need to love yourself more because isn't it better to have what you want be obtainable through means you actually enjoy? This is a game, after all. But every hit in Eureka tells the devs they were right, and they'd continue with this.

[Nariel]

Then you need to love yourself more because isn't it better to have what you want be obtainable through means you actually enjoy? This is a game, after all. But every hit in Eureka tells the devs they were right, and they'd continue with this.

Chill dude, I'm not physicaly hurt by playing in Eureka, I'm just not entertained and bored as much as I can be, I expect the game to actualy do better at being fun and said so when he failed at it. I value the carrot on the stick enough to be bored and annoyed while chasing it, its not like they already decided what come around in the next 15 month and my participation in those will change a thing, be realistic.

[Schan]

Chill dude, I'm not physicaly hurt by playing in Eureka

That feeling when I have a member from my static that actually hurt themselves grinding Pagos to the point they're now stuck raiding with a class they hate because their wrist can't handle the class they like... And they hated every second of Pagos too... all for the relic.

Be careful with how much you value the carrot at the end of the stick.

[Magic-Mal]

What if people value those thing higher than the pain in the ass Eureka is ? What choice do they have ? Do they really have to forget about what make them stay subscribe just because Eureka is bad?

Yes

SE doesn't care about how much you complain if you still eat it. All they want is to bribe you into the content so you can keep doing it while they have no actual plans to fix it. Why should they? You still play it regardless. No need for changes right? Why do you think we stopped getting hairstyles for free for example?

I decided I'd never play Eureka. As much as I'd like to have my BRD relic and collect the hairstyles, mounts, and emotes.

[HyoMinPark]

What if people value those thing higher than the pain in the ass Eureka is ? What choice do they have ? Do they really have to forget about what make them stay subscribe just because Eureka is bad ? I value my BRD relic so much for glamour reason and collection enough for me to endure it and release my hate for it where it belong in the saltiest way I can find beceause as a Lalafell I'm entitled to be mean and cute.

While I don’t need the BRD relic for gear or glamour now, I was determined to complete it for the sake of completion when Anemos came out. And I actually really enjoyed Anemos, despite some mild belly-aching while leveling up during it. But I spent 6 hours in Pagos the day it came out and I hated every second of it, and I decided then that getting my completed relic wasn’t worth me participating in content that I absolutely despised.

I spend time in FFXIV to have fun. Suffering in Pagos for a weapon that was nothing more than glamour wasn’t worth it for me. So I invested my time elsewhere, and now I have an even better bow to glamour. And the same will be said for my AST weapon glamour—because that’s the only weapon I found appealing in Pagos, and its Pyros incarnation is also beautiful. But now, I can get one even better.


Not participating seems to be the only way the developers will acknowledge that Eureka is a mess that most people do not like, because they don’t seem to listen to the constructive feedback given about it—or, if they do, it feels cursory at best. Stepping foot in there tells them that you will do whatever it takes to get a shiny, regardless of how miserable you are. And that’s not the message I want to send video game developers.

People are more than welcome to enjoy the content—but if you don’t enjoy it and go in anyways to chase the shiny carrot? Sorry, I don’t really agree with such a practice.

[Nariel]

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Yeah right, they totaly won't gate more and more cool thing behind it like they do since years and will totaly rework already done instances.

Diadem died fast, close to no one did it and we still get Eureka, keep on dreaming embargo works on big companies.

[Magic-Mal]

Translation: It's crap, and it's going to keep being crap. Just deal with it and enjoy it even though you don't enjoy it. Stop complaining.

Basically...

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah right, they totaly won't gate more and more cool thing behind it like they do since years and will totaly rework already done instances.

Diadem died fast, close to no one did it and we still get Eureka, keep on dreaming embargo works on big companies.

Where was I talking about reworking Eureka?
I think it’s well past the point of no return. Any “reworks” now are simply damage control.

Based on your responses to those who replied to your first comment, it was clear that a nerve was struck. I’m sorry I disagree with blindly chasing carrots on a stick regardless of how miserable one is, and I’m sorry I disagree with sending the wrong message to game developers (i.e., “I’m not actually enjoying Eureka, but you’re going to think I am because I continue to throw myself into the content for those shiny carrots you dangle before me!”).

I think the developers are well aware that Eureka is a failure. I also think they were well aware that people wouldn’t touch the content if the Relic wasn’t shoved in there, which is why the Relic is in there in the first place. There’s carrot number one. Now that people dropped off in Pagos, they try to dangle more carrots—emotes, glamour, minions, mounts, and now housing items and hairstyles. I’ll never forget a review I read on Eureka right after Pagos was released, and it was fairly reasonable in its assessment and presentation: it said that the developers took the aspects most hated from FFXI and shoved them into a game where they simply will not work (mostly, I believe they were referring to the mob-chaining that Pagos is built on).


But, again, I’m sorry that I disagree with miserably chasing carrots.

My time in-game is better spent elsewhere.

nd keeping on "just don't do it it will change" is false

Again, where was I actively talking about non-participation sparking change?

Not participating seems to be the only way the developers will acknowledge that Eureka is a mess that most people do not like, because they don’t seem to listen to the constructive feedback given about it—or, if they do, it feels cursory at best. Stepping foot in there tells them that you will do whatever it takes to get a shiny, regardless of how miserable you are. And that’s not the message I want to send video game developers.

People are more than welcome to enjoy the content—but if you don’t enjoy it and go in anyways to chase the shiny carrot? Sorry, I don’t really agree with such a practice.

Nowhere in here did I say anything that non-participation would spark change. I said that it seems to be the only way to show them that Eureka is a mess, because clearly writing novels telling them as such doesn’t.

I love this game. But I will not be blind to its flaws, and I will not be miserable while playing it. No matter how pretty the carrot. If the grind isn’t worth it to me, it isn’t worth it.

[BillyKaplan]

keep on dreaming embargo works on big companies.

What embargo? The one where so many people say they hate it and keep doing it anyway? That one?