Please stop making Eureka

[Hazmick]

As others have said, the current development cycle will have to run its course and can't be altered. They've likely planned a big chunk of 5.0's dev cycle already too, perhaps even more Eureka.

Then consider that people DO play Eureka, and some enjoy it. The majority might complain about it all day long, but as long as people are setting foot in the instances, SE will consider it to be working - devs usually just see the game from the back end, through numbers of participants. I daresay that when I log on tonight, there will be multiple full instances of Pyros.

So, Eureka can't be stopped right now. We can just hope that devs act on feedback and can tweak it as best they can to make it 'better'.

[azura84]

As others have said, the current development cycle will have to run its course and can't be altered. They've likely planned a big chunk of 5.0's dev cycle already too, perhaps even more Eureka.

Then consider that people DO play Eureka, and some enjoy it. The majority might complain about it all day long, but as long as people are setting foot in the instances, SE will consider it to be working - devs usually just see the game from the back end, through numbers of participants. I daresay that when I log on tonight, there will be multiple full instances of Pyros.

So, Eureka can't be stopped right now. We can just hope that devs act on feedback and can tweak it as best they can to make it 'better'.

Not true, people still set foot in diadem and no more than those who were struggling through light and exp in pagos these past few weeks. Like Bourne_Endeavor said, 5% Is very bad for something that everyone who plays should be enjoying. In the last few weeks i would wager even fewer than 2% of the total active characters were even logging into instances. Hell I WATCHED Mr.Happy go into it and solo the Giga NM on healer, that's how few people were doing pagos. It is a dramatic flop.

[Vaer]

The last zone is probably too far along at this point to just can it. Their dev cycle is probably 2-3 months ahead of actual releases so 4.5 is most likely close or heading to QA/the last zone is almost done at this point and they are shifting more people toward expansion development.

Churning out an expansion in 5 months after last major patch is pretty quick by MMO standards (They've done this twice already, perhaps it might take longer this time?) so I'm guessing they start working on it way ahead of time. They dropped the last Ultimate since they probably need the fight designer for one of the 2 EX primals they usually release, to start working on the new expansion raid or maybe even the first Ultimate for 5.0. Maybe the expansion will have radically different stuff this time but I doubt it.

Eureka in comparison has simple mechanics and mostly just interact with the scaling system already in place since Anemos that are mostly copy and paste from previous stuff so they don't really need an encounter designer for those.

Just hope their new never before seen content/Diadem 3.0 in 5.0 isn't Eureka but in space or something.

[HyoMinPark]

Then consider that people DO play Eureka, and some enjoy it. The majority might complain about it all day long, but as long as people are setting foot in the instances, SE will consider it to be working - devs usually just see the game from the back end, through numbers of participants. I daresay that when I log on tonight, there will be multiple full instances of Pyros.

Some do enjoy it, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But when content designed for the majority is truly enjoyed by only a fraction while the majority criticize it and dislike it, and either choose not to participate or participate purely because there is nothing else to do in the game, that’s not successful. And the wrong lies with people trying to say that the content was successful merely because some enjoy it.

If Eureka was successful, it would be enjoyed by a significant portion of the majority it was made for—not be “just as successful as Ultimate” as another poster put it: Ultimate is designed for the 1%, and clears are less than 1% of the playerbase, which has fluctuated between ~650,000 and ~580,000 between recent unofficial FFXIV censes; if Eureka is “just as successful as” content cleared by less than 1% when its content designed for the 95%—or even just 55% (as that’s more than half of the playerbase)—that’s not very successful.


I have to ask, how many of the players in these “full instances of Pyros” will be actively participating in the content, and how many will be AFKing waiting for the next NM to spawn? If a significant portion are actively AFKing and actively not participating in the instance, how does that define it as “successful”? I feel like that defines it more so as a “chore” or a “means to an end”. People did the exact same thing in Diadem, and we all know how “successful” that content was—in either of its iterations.


I honestly wonder how players who would want to go back and do Stormblood’s relic after it’s relevant are going to do it. Diadem is all but dead to those who don’t have an FC with an airship to enter. And even though you can go into Eureka solo, and even solo some of the NMs, I don’t think you’d be able to solo all of them (Pazuzu, Louhi, Firezuzu all come to mind). So I wonder what they’re going to do to it after 5.0 drops to try and keep it bearable for any who would wish to go in and complete the relics.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It IS an MMO. If people want to do the content, they can grab a group of friends and hop in. Thats what I've been doing with Anemos. I have 2 friends that absolutely refused to do it after they stepped in and killed a couple mobs by themselves.

They actually enjoy it now when we've been doing it as a group.

I also think some people go in with the mindset of "this is a grind, I hate grinds, I hate this."

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It IS an MMO. If people want to do the content, they can grab a group of friends and hop in. Thats what I've been doing with Anemos. I have 2 friends that absolutely refused to do it after they stepped in and killed a couple mobs by themselves.

They actually enjoy it now when we've been doing it as a group.

I also think some people go in with the mindset of "this is a grind, I hate grinds, I hate this."

Anemos is widely considered decent. Most people complaining about Eureka are referring to Pagos, which took considerably longer and forced a very boring grind. I did it as a group but killing hundreds of brain dead trash mobs with zero mechanics isn't what I call fun nor did the friends accompanying me. You're talking to someone with multiple Animas (before nerfs), Savage clears, Ultimate and grind heavy achievements. I have no issues with grinds. I have issue with boring, unimaginative grinds. Pyros may be better but I have to slog through Pagos to even see it.

[azura84]

It IS an MMO. If people want to do the content, they can grab a group of friends and hop in. Thats what I've been doing with Anemos. I have 2 friends that absolutely refused to do it after they stepped in and killed a couple mobs by themselves.

They actually enjoy it now when we've been doing it as a group.

I also think some people go in with the mindset of "this is a grind, I hate grinds, I hate this."

I like the grind if it's meaningful, but relics mean almost nothing in the grand scheme of this game. XI's grind and relics amounted to more and lasting results, and if you make it through anemos I will be rooting for you guys, BUT I will be very (pleasantly) surprised if you get past pagos with them at this stage, also don't forget to try out bunnies for your o-hat and get your cassie earring, fun times ^_-.

[Tempest222]

I’ve only ever been in the first part of Eureka right after it came out for about 20 minutes, and have never been back. That whole type of play is just not for me. Obviously the content is more popular than people think, or it’s already been basically ready to go for along time so they are going to release it regardless of player perception. Either way it’s kind of too late to ditch it and add something else now.

[HyoMinPark]

It IS an MMO. If people want to do the content, they can grab a group of friends and hop in. Thats what I've been doing with Anemos. I have 2 friends that absolutely refused to do it after they stepped in and killed a couple mobs by themselves.

They actually enjoy it now when we've been doing it as a group.

I actually really enjoyed Anemos—although, only with friends. It was boring as sin solo. I went into Pagos with friends. Hated every second of it and I haven’t gone back. So “go with friends” doesn’t always work.

I also think some people go in with the mindset of "this is a grind, I hate grinds, I hate this."

I’m going to repeat something I said before to someone who said something like this:

I feel like there’s a difference between a “grind that feels productive” and “a grind that feels absolutely pointless”.

[Areic]

Eureka content being shoved down our throats is the one thing that's so horribly bad it makes BFA's current dumpster fire look /good/

Oh hey we have all these new exciting emotes, hairstyles, mounts and pets. Hope you like doing the most mind numbing content we could imagine in five minutes of thinking