Please stop making Eureka

[RukiaFae]

If u dont like it, dont do it, if ppl want to do it, they do. This is an MMORPG, not a single player game.

Just because people are there doesnt mean they like it. I for one dislike it, mostly Pagos. Anemos was ok after you hit level 17. I'm there because they took the things I really want and put it in there. I'm not there because I want to be. I wouldn't go into that place if it wasn't for the weapons, emotes, hair, and mounts. Also the story aspect is intriguing. Take away the rewards and I would just ignore it like do other things. A good example is PVP. I dislike PVP but I played it just enough to get the things I want and never looked back. SE knows what they are doing, that's why they keep putting so many thing in Eureka.

It's frustrating that we lost extra dungeons and more resources are going into content that most people don't find enjoyable.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I look at it this way. I did not like Anemos but it was tolerable in short spurts. But it was still unpleasant enough that I decided that the Stormblood relic was off the table for me after that stage and I never stepped foot in Pagos nor do I have any intention of doing so. Obviously that means I'll never see Pyros either. Eureka is just bad content to me. Its not fun... its painful, unpleasant, boring and without significant changes gets worse over time. The big problem with Eureka is that its the gatekeeper of the relic.

It's like SE wanted to get FFXI elements into FFXIV but wanted to ensure the content wouldn't be rejected so they looked at Diadem and decided the problem with it was that it wasn't rewarding enough to entice players in and figured that putting the relic there would do the trick. For some people it was enough to get them in the door, but not me. I have a limit to what I will suffer through to get things I want. Anemos was that limit for me. I won't give Pagos or Pyros a second thought.

Eureka isn't just a grind. It's a grind you can't do at your convenience because you're beholden to the groups available. It's a grind that requires not just grinding the stages of the relic but through an entirely separate leveling system that is made complicated by the element system/hidden spawn conditions and punitive if you're solo or your group has a slower kill speed. It's a grind that syncs your ilvl so you can never overpower it no matter how good your gear is. It's a grind that goes out of its way to make every little thing inconvenient and relies on the relic carrot to make you suck it up and "enjoy it" to get your relic weapon done. Well this bunny decided that this particular carrot isn't worth hopping into a meat grinder to get. Pagos was dead on arrival to me and now Pyros is as well. Eureka might as well not exist because it is not "content" I want anything to do with.

If SE does Eureka-like content again in the next xpac I will likely stop playing FFXIV. I play games to have fun, not give myself paper cuts and then pour salt on them. Eureka constitutes such a significant portion of Stormblood's development, and available content, that repeating this horror of a design philosophy would basically turn FFXIV into a game I won't want to play anymore. Making content isn't enough. You have to make content I WANT to do that I feel is WORTH doing. Eureka is neither of those things.

[InkstainedGwyn]

This is the first time I've ever actually considered unsubscribing. All of the new additions this patch (short of Hildi) are locked behind Pyros, under layers and layers of RNG. PVP is annoying, but there's no RNG about it - you save up points, you buy the thing you want. Sure, it was bad enough when it was HoH - I won't deny that having RNG in there sucks, too, I'm not trying to negate people's frustration with HoH - but that's at least easy content you can take in spurts of 10 floors at a time, max 45-60m. And there was only one type of "lockbox" to contend with. Anything I wanted that dropped in HoH has already dropped so low on the marketboard that I can buy it; the haircut is barely a mil and the crafting mats are 300 gil max on my server.

Unless, somehow, the new furnishings and hair drop in an easier method than the shiver emote, it's going to be ridiculous. The shiver emote is still going for 10-20 mil on my server, and the only one currently available is at a price no one will buy, 500 mil.

[HyoMinPark]

Unless, somehow, the new furnishings and hair drop in an easier method than the shiver emote, it's going to be ridiculous. The shiver emote is still going for 10-20 mil on my server, and the only one currently available is at a price no one will buy, 500 mil.

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard that the hairstyle, at least, has a much better droprate compared to “Shiver”.

[InkstainedGwyn]

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard that the hairstyle, at least, has a much better droprate compared to “Shiver”.

That's some small consolation, so thank you (although the spice rack is really where my ambitions lie.)

I'm still mad, though. I don't begrudge people who want Eureka and enjoy it. I never begrudged people Rival Wings or Ultimate Anything. But when those came out, there was still other stuff in the patch I could enjoy. I don't have to have all of the patch catered to me, but I do want something. But this time they literally locked every single thing they could behind Eureka, praying that it would force people into it. So much for "if you want the relic, you'll need to do the relic quest" - it's "if you want anything, you'll have to do the relic quest".

I'm surprised they didn't put the start of the 4.45 Hildibrand questline in an area of Pyros that you can only get to after level 45.

[Aster_E]

I'm surprised they didn't put the start of the 4.45 Hildibrand questline in an area of Pyros that you can only get to after level 45.

Please don't give Yoshi any more bad ideas.

[HyoMinPark]

That's some small consolation, so thank you (although the spice rack is really where my ambitions lie.)

I'm still mad, though. I don't begrudge people who want Eureka and enjoy it. I never begrudged people Rival Wings or Ultimate Anything. But when those came out, there was still other stuff in the patch I could enjoy. I don't have to have all of the patch catered to me, but I do want something. But this time they literally locked every single thing they could behind Eureka, praying that it would force people into it. So much for "if you want the relic, you'll need to do the relic quest" - it's "if you want anything, you'll have to do the relic quest".

I'm surprised they didn't put the start of the 4.45 Hildibrand questline in an area of Pyros that you can only get to after level 45.

Oh, trust me. I share your concerns. I’ve stockpiled farming Ex mounts to have something to do after I finish Alphascape and clear UCoB because I decided when Pagos released that I wasn’t going to participate in Eureka or the Relic anymore this expansion. But it is astounding how much they continue to shove in there in a vain hope people will suddenly love the content.

My concern for FFXIV has grown a lot since Pagos released, and if 5.0 brings another Relic with another Diadem reskin and more copy-paste content, I’ve also considered moving on to another game. Even if they come out with awesome Savage fights and awesome Ultimate fights, because I want something more to do. Raiding isn’t all there is, and it isn’t all I’ve enjoyed in FFXIV. Up until now, at least.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Oh, trust me. I share your concerns. I’ve stockpiled farming Ex mounts to have something to do after I finish Alphascape and clear UCoB because I decided when Pagos released that I wasn’t going to participate in Eureka or the Relic anymore this expansion. But it is astounding how much they continue to shove in there in a vain hope people will suddenly love the content.

My concern for FFXIV has grown a lot since Pagos released, and if 5.0 brings another Relic with another Diadem reskin and more copy-paste content, I’ve also considered moving on to another game. Even if they come out with awesome Savage fights and awesome Ultimate fights, because I want something more to do. Raiding isn’t all there is, and it isn’t all I’ve enjoyed in FFXIV. Up until now, at least.

I'll be legit, I don't get mad about a lot of the same content-related stuff that seems to upset other folks - I was fine with the same old "1-2 dungeons, some MSQ, something randomly interesting like a beast tribe or HoH or Enclave, some PVP, etc". I even enjoyed Diadem as something to pass the time occasionally, because I wasn't being expected to go in there all the time. Not saying I don't see why other people are bored/tired/upset - I get that - but I'm one of those annoying "nah, I'm chill with the game" folks. I don't mind predictable because I enjoy what is there.

But this is just... at this rate, everything's going to be locked behind something that was supposed to be only a part/niche element of the game, and it's a mind-bogglingly terrible choice. In HW, even though I'd gotten to 60 (and started on my WHM staff), I barely heard about half of the relic changes - I wasn't on those stages of the quest, and everything I wanted to do was unrelated to what I wanted (quests, beast tribes, crafting, etc). Here, you can't help but "hear/know about the relic" because if you want anything, it's going to be locked in the same jumbled mess.

I'm repeating myself now, and I know it's because I'm actually angry at the moment, so I should probably close the forums down and take a break tonight from the game. But for the first time, I actually find myself thinking, "maybe XIV does need a new development team". What's the whole 5.0 expansion going to be called, "Epiphany: Not Eureka, We Promise"? Instead of gating the endgame behind the MSQ they'll gate the MSQ behind Eureka, and you'll have to have gotten to 75 before you can start on the first MSQ quest.

[Aster_E]

My concern for FFXIV has grown a lot since Pagos released, and if 5.0 brings another Relic with another Diadem reskin and more copy-paste content, I’ve also considered moving on to another game. Even if they come out with awesome Savage fights and awesome Ultimate fights, because I want something more to do. Raiding isn’t all there is, and it isn’t all I’ve enjoyed in FFXIV. Up until now, at least.

I just checked to see if "City of Titans" is ready to go yet (doesn't look it, still), because, for me, it would be fitting if I left another online FF for a spiritual successor to the game that I left XI for, more than twelve years ago.

The irony here is that I even considered giving FFXI another chance, but the answer to that is still a big, fat no for me due to XI's gameplay not being to my liking, and also it would be a bit dumb to refuse to give SE money for XIV only to give money on something I like even less.

[Xtrasweettea]

Please. just stop. at this point I would rather have less content in SB and better content in the next expansion. You're wasting everyone's time with this useless crapfest. And this is me being as nice as I possibly can.

No, don't stop making Eureka. Instead, make another Eureka to flex on the haters!