So. Normally I confine my participation in threads on volatile subjects like this to the like button. However, there's a rebuttal to the Eureka defenders that I'm not seeing. And that is this: RE - no one's making you do it, and it's "just another weapon".

Ahem. Sorry, but no. The relic is not "just" another weapon. Tome weapons can be upgraded exactly once, and don't have any special appearance. I can't speak to savage weapons, ex primal weapons, but afaik, they're not upgradable (perhaps savage are? haven't tried savage myself). So the relic has two things going for it - 1.upgradable multiple times until at last, for an all too brief moment at the end of the xpac, it becomes the strongest weapon, and 2. special appearance - ie a permanent weapon glam for your collection once it's no longer usable itself.

Now, SE quite knowingly threw the relic weapons, and the new armors, plus a ton of collectible stuff, into this content, *knowing* that people regardless of their very vocal dislike for this type of content, would feel compelled to participate. And thusly, fluffing up participation numbers so that they could claim it to be a success, and be able to make as much of this uninspired, overly rng laden, vomitous excuse for content, as they please. I mean, the devs enjoy it, so therefore, so should the players, right? /s

People that like it, that's fine. Doesn't bother me a bit. My complaint is simply the locking away of a previously far more accessible questline for an upgradable weapon, behind content that I find sleep inducingly boring, and even worse, extremely physically painful (my wrists and hands, which I have problems with anyway).

Anemos was tolerable, even fun quite often (once I joined the NM train). Pagos? I set foot in there week 1, killed 1 mob, and after an eternity at that, and the realization that all the things that made Anemos tolerable/fun had been willfully, spitefully destroyed, I noped out and have not been back. Nor will I, not unless or until, it gets nerfed to the ground, or at the very least, brought to Anemos lvls.

Perhaps some may consider me a bit dramatic here, and more than touch cynical. And that's fair. I am extremely upset though, that I am most likely going to have to give this relic a miss.

TLDR: Relic is not *just* a weapon. It is a repeatedly upgradable weapon with a special appearance, that will eventually be the strongest. The rest, (and disclaimer here) was mainly my opinion, in which I make no claims to speak for anyone else, blah blah blah. I am simply including myself amonst the vocal dislikers of Eureka. ;P