This Needs to Be Said

[Reynhart]

relics are tied behind it. So matter what, if you want those relics, you have no choice but to run this.

But since obtaining the relic is already your choice, you have the choice not to run this content.
It's exactly the same as every other weapon besides Tome. If you want Byakko weapon, you do Byakko EX, if you want an Empyrean weapon, you have to do HoH, if you want a Diamond weapon, you do Omega Savage. You're the one giving that much importance to the relic, so you're the one forcing you to do the content, so again, it's on you, especially when they made perfectly clear from the get go that this would be a "Eureka weapon".

If the devs are simply going by participation numbers, and are ignoring whether players are satisfied or not, then naturally, they'll be encouraged to do it more.

And they're right to do so, since again, if you're not satisfied, no one forces you to do it. And they can't have a decent sample on how many people are "satisfied".

Coming here only for the sole purpose of saying that myself and others who dislike or hate Eureka are either in the wrong or shouldn't be making threads like these are just wasting time, in my opinion.

That's why I make myself clear that you're not in the wrong for not liking it

But you can definitely encourage it from a dev's standpoint.

Color me pesimistic but I doubt "encouraging" would be enough. But, frankly, I wouldn't be against a mandatory poll at login. Since Eureka is clearly the most divisive part of SB, it would help having a clear tendency, wether it favors me or you.

[MomomiMomi]

You're the one giving that much importance to the relic, so you're the one forcing you to do the content, so again, it's on you, especially when they made perfectly clear from the get go that this would be a "Eureka weapon".

You say things like this, but then you say gems like this:

Forcing you to revisit old content even if you've done it a thousand times and have nothing else to gain from it it a very dumb concept, made just so that they don't had to put effort into doing any new content.

You should at least try to be consistent.

[Reynhart]

I wouldn't want a mandatory poll. Like I said earlier, the devs could easily just encourage it, but don't force players to give feedback - that's just shooting yourself in the foot.

Let's be real, it's too late now to change Pyros or the fourth installment from their planned release. So, I'd say it's a good time to have a real significant feedback so that they can adjust what big alternate content they have in store for the next expansion. At worst, people will massively dislike it, and it will help not making the same "mistakes".

But they certainly can make it easy for players to provide honest feedback.

It's very easy to post on the forum to provide your feedback, but people are lazy to not do it.

[KaivaC]

Let's be real, it's too late now to change Pyros or the fourth installment from their planned release. So, I'd say it's a good time to have a real significant feedback so that they can adjust what big alternate content they have in store for the next expansion. At worst, people will massively dislike it, and it will help not making the same "mistakes".

It's very easy to post on the forum to provide your feedback, but people are lazy to not do it.

Oh yeah, it is definitely too late to make any significant changes. There's a fourth zone that's supposed to be coming, isn't there? The devs are going to have to be really honest about wanting feedback, and they're going to have to be willing to take it seriously enough that they would make changes to future content like this - or at least put in multiple ways that you can go after your relic, rather than just pure FATE grinding for significant boosts.

I agree that it's really simple to provide feedback through the forums - but again, I feel like it would be better if 1) the devs encouraged it and 2) they actually took that feedback seriously.

[Reynhart]

1) the devs encouraged it

How would you do that ?

Think about it: instead of having to design a complex dungeon with new mobs, new abilities, new art etc, they can just re-use art assets, mob models and abilities in game.

Yeah, instead of designing one straight line with three circle rooms, they have to design a huge zone with caves, slopes, verticality, etc...

[Granyala]

Yeah, instead of designing one straight line with three circle rooms, they have to design a huge zone with caves, slopes, verticality, etc...

Yes they have to build the map. But, provided a good map editor, that doesn't take nearly as long as creating new art assets.
Yoshida said in an interview that creating 3D art assets is their biggest bottleneck.

In that light, it makes sense why they constantly re-use stuff they already have.

[Reynhart]

But, provided a good map editor, that doesn't take nearly as long as creating new art assets.

Same for dungeons, on top of being extremely bland in their design. They're all one linear path to three bosses.