This Needs to Be Said

[KaivaC]

Other peoples.
But good to have you back nonetheless - I need at least 5 threads a day I can roll my eyes to. It's been very quiet without you.

Oh those sweet, sweet lies that you tell.

This is a video game, if a content is not fun, you can simply don't do it. If you still do, then thank you, you're playing the part of those who like it and encourage SE creating more content than this.

Any feedback is only a minority. SE will trust statistics more than any feedback.

Unless you make a mandatory poll on logging, you can't force people to give you feedback. It's not the devs' fault if so few people use the forum.

I'm not asking you to change your opinion. We can consider a content as valuable asset, even if we don't directly run it. Me, I don't do Savage nor PvP, nor housing, nor Gold Saucer, but I admit that it helps giving some players a goal that dungeon and primals alone wouldn't cover. So, it's good for them. On the other hand, I really doubt enough people play Lords Of Verminion to consider it an important part of the game.

My problem is not that people don't like it, but that the fact that they don't like is valid enough to ask forchanging it completely, damn be those who like it, or even deleting it.

Again, the only thing I'd say you're wrong about is "doing a content you don't like" but that's not specific to Eureka.

Oi...

Here's the thing about 'if it's not fun, don't play it': relics are tied behind it. So matter what, if you want those relics, you have no choice but to run this. There's the trap right there. If the devs are simply going by participation numbers, and are ignoring whether players are satisfied or not, then naturally, they'll be encouraged to do it more. Even if it means irritating their player base. If players like you value Eureka and you enjoy it, then that's fine. I've not once said that players who enjoy it shouldn't continue to run it. If Eureka and future content like this were deleted in the future, yes, I myself would be fine with that. Again, if people want to counter this, they are more than welcome to make their own support threads for it. Coming here only for the sole purpose of saying that myself and others who dislike or hate Eureka are either in the wrong or shouldn't be making threads like these are just wasting time, in my opinion. Not necessarily directing that at you, to be clear.

In regards to feedback, you are right, you can't force people to give you feedback. But you can definitely encourage it from a dev's standpoint. They could easily set a system message every time you enter Eureka for a specific time period, say two weeks, with a simple message: "We encourage our fellow adventurers to leave feedback on Eureka Anemos/Pagos by visiting our Official Forums". Simple and sweet. Or creating a poll on the Lodestone, that way they have to use their account. They could even improve the poll by locking it to players who have actually visited Eureka/Pagos for the most accurate feedback. If they were so inclined to do it.

[Marcellus_Cassius]

Ok? I suppose positing a decent, sarcastic response to your baiting equates being upset. Sure, why not. *shrugs* We've had about 2 posts each to one another - not exactly what I would call a back-and-forth. Like I have told posters before, if you take an issue with players like me openly expressing our dislike about Eureka, you can easily just make a support thread rather than try to say 'you people are wrong for disliking this content' without really even saying why we are wrong. About your comment on rights to voice opinions...I mean, I did encourage you to go ahead and make a thread complaining about Savage if that's how you felt. I'm here expressing my opinion about Eureka, so I have no idea why you're bringing the right to voice opinions up when I don't believe nobody has been told to not express their opinion.

So far, all I've been seeing is "How dare you not like Eureka, Kaiva! How dare you express your opinion against 'good' content! I need to tell you how you are wrong for saying you don't like Eureka".

I mean, if that's the counter-argument...



I am simply stating an opinion. I've always done that.

I wasn't done editing when you wrote back- my fault, anyhow.

This is an mmo, you pick and choose whats compatible with you- not everything will be, if we set the bar at "new content must be the type for me or it can't be constructed because it takes time from the delivery of the set dungeons and raids" -a formula we complain about to no end as well, how can we ever innovate. It may not be perfect but at least they are trying and that means taking risks and persevering past failure. I think it is safe to say most people agree some favorable progress is being made with every iteration of the instance, although yes probably Anemos is more likable. But maybe this is evidence to your point and it is your right to voice your opinion but understand that I was exercising that same right when disagreeing with you. However I admit my original comment was in poor taste and improperly conveyed my intent, I'm not trying to accuse you of any wrongdoing.

Edit: But seeing your post from above it seems the main gripe is relics being tied to it? I mean, I can't argue against it, they have changed the way we obtain them and if this content doesn't suit you I can see why you dislike it, I can't offer any solution to that matter but compared to how they used to be obtained what is the biggest barrier for you? Group play doesn't seem to be a problem from your original post, is it the grind? I recommend you try Pagos before jumping to conclusions based off what other people are saying about Pagos, you mentioned you have not yet tried it. It really isn't that bad, I think it can be finished easily in less than a month.

[Marcellus_Cassius]

But here you are, posting and wasting time.

I do believe creating a thread outlining and detailing a dislike for something and posting a reply in disagreement are not entirely the same.

[Reynhart]

relics are tied behind it. So matter what, if you want those relics, you have no choice but to run this.

But since obtaining the relic is already your choice, you have the choice not to run this content.
It's exactly the same as every other weapon besides Tome. If you want Byakko weapon, you do Byakko EX, if you want an Empyrean weapon, you have to do HoH, if you want a Diamond weapon, you do Omega Savage. You're the one giving that much importance to the relic, so you're the one forcing you to do the content, so again, it's on you, especially when they made perfectly clear from the get go that this would be a "Eureka weapon".

If the devs are simply going by participation numbers, and are ignoring whether players are satisfied or not, then naturally, they'll be encouraged to do it more.

And they're right to do so, since again, if you're not satisfied, no one forces you to do it. And they can't have a decent sample on how many people are "satisfied".

Coming here only for the sole purpose of saying that myself and others who dislike or hate Eureka are either in the wrong or shouldn't be making threads like these are just wasting time, in my opinion.

That's why I make myself clear that you're not in the wrong for not liking it

But you can definitely encourage it from a dev's standpoint.

Color me pesimistic but I doubt "encouraging" would be enough. But, frankly, I wouldn't be against a mandatory poll at login. Since Eureka is clearly the most divisive part of SB, it would help having a clear tendency, wether it favors me or you.

[Coombah]

I don't know how many times we have to tell them before they listen to us.

They could careless , funny how they said they learned this but yet here we are again...

[Moomba33]

Well said Kaiva.
I don't see SE cancelling Eureka at this point but I sincerely hope they will add more engaging activities besides killing mobs with inflated HP.

[MomomiMomi]

You're the one giving that much importance to the relic, so you're the one forcing you to do the content, so again, it's on you, especially when they made perfectly clear from the get go that this would be a "Eureka weapon".

You say things like this, but then you say gems like this:

Forcing you to revisit old content even if you've done it a thousand times and have nothing else to gain from it it a very dumb concept, made just so that they don't had to put effort into doing any new content.

You should at least try to be consistent.

[RiyahArp]

Look, you can dislike Eureka as you will. But the point is, don't get antsy about something based on a single line in an interview. That same interview was touting the SAM, RDM, and BLM changes as if they were something special, when they just were straight potency icnreases. A big problem is overreacting based on this, and we simply don't know yet if it will be a serious problem.

As for pagos...honestly, I think a lot of the salt comes from people expecting to bang out multiple relics in a week. It's actualy fast progression just doing your logs per week, and joining fates nearby you when they pop; if you are below 30, just stay in the southern part doing your logs, and maybe exp a little on mobs that pop the low level fates. You can level pretty fast, and light gain so far is ok doing it.

The issues do come to a head if your goal is to get multiple ones. But a lot of issues I think comes to teh playerbase wanting to either slowly do things in chunks of no more than fifteen minutes, or hardcore gridn it out in a week or less from launch. This isn't really designed for that.

[Driskus]

I haven't even been inside Eureka since like day 2 (after the save bug hit I said forget it; never even reported my lost save data because I had already made up my mind by that point). Even Abyssea in FFXI was more fun. It at least had lots of boss fights, useful gear, powerups, chest mechanics, etc. Eureka is just a super boring, endless grind with nothing to spice it up along the way. If they're going to continue this crap, they need to add some actual fun stuff to it for me to even consider doing it.

[Alleo]

Did you even play during Diadem? Seems odd to make yourself the poster girl for this rage thread.

If diadem was well liked, why did the devs need to do a second version, apologize for the first and then release something that was even faster death? (I mean its probably the second content next to LoV that was death that fast) So the playerbase totally loved Diadem.