This Needs to Be Said

[RiyahArp]

Now, SE quite knowingly threw the relic weapons, and the new armors, plus a ton of collectible stuff, into this content, *knowing* that people regardless of their very vocal dislike for this type of content, would feel compelled to participate

Um, there was no pre-existing (added this..) vocal dislike of the content. Pagos is disliked more because they made it a lot harder for people by seriously hampering the fate train in response how it trivialized the content. Most of the dislike really came with Pagos, which was an overreaction to anemos, possibly because Se listened too much to voices who disliked people leeching their way to relics. Diadem wasn't disliked for itself, but for design decisions about rewards like randomized stats and the 72 man battles. I mean, this was more or less experimental content to vary how people obtain relics.

Like it wasn't something like tossing hairstyles or minions into PvP, which is closer to what you mean. People knowing what the content is like and definitely disliking being forced to do it. Anemos is more a new quantitiy with each version. It's just in pagos they did what they did with heavensward rotations and skills, misread the player mood.

[MomomiMomi]

Um, there was no pre-existing (added this..) vocal dislike of the content.

Diadem, which died extremely fast.

They knew the players weren't very receptive to this style of content. This is probably why they shoved relics in there to get people to do it.

[Xau]

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there is other reason why relic is so important, unlike now on sb and the so delayed(and late) releases of eureka, on arr(starting on 2.2 since 2.0 and 2.1 didn't had tome weapons) and hw, it was the best choice to give multiple jobs a weapon whit not costing 1K of capped tomes(which cuts on your gearing your fav jobs whit current armor), yet here we either have(the ones who we hate it) to suffer eureka, or gear less jobs, yes, there is crafted armor to get you to ilvl unupgraded tome gear when they make the upgrade part avariable(if they repeat that's it, and we know they will), but not everyone is rich to buy those,, and even worse, it doesn't brings you to max ilvl(this affects 24 man gear as well) in case you want to do some ex trials, is common people sets up pf on max ilvl avariable to the majority of the playerbase at the time, or at least is on chaos datacenter

[Gleipni]

The problem is,they designed eureka for more than 1 year,thinking it will be so great,but no people just hate it,but they cant change year of work in a snap of finger,so they just throw the cobntent as it is cause they dont care.

[Ameela]

The problem is,they designed eureka for more than 1 year,thinking it will be so great,but no people just hate it,but they cant change year of work in a snap of finger,so they just throw the cobntent as it is cause they dont care.

I find that highly doubtful considering how much of Pagos's design seems to be in response to how people did Anemos I find that highly doubtful.

Feels more like they spent a majority of the time trying to figure out how to make Eureka before settling on Diadem 2.0 when nothing else worked.

[Gleipni]

I find that highly doubtful considering how much of Pagos's design seems to be in response to how people did Anemos I find that highly doubtful.

Feels more like they spent a majority of the time trying to figure out how to make Eureka before settling on Diadem 2.0 when nothing else worked.

Well,thats what they said,but yeah feels more like you said,but they will never admit they slacked off most of the time and at the end just did an other diadem

[Dragoon4life]

RNG on top of RNG on top of more RNG is bs. I mean seriously I can’t motivate my self to go back. Today there wasn’t much going on so I thought maybe I’ll go in. But as soon as I did. I turned the game off and watched Netflix and was ultimately happy. Devs. PAGOS is bad! Please learn from your mistakes and quit it with this! Rng is apart of gameplay but SE has been notorious in many games for low rng. Pagos blows everything out of the way.

[Aster_E]

At this point I tell them with my sub, which will run out in early November. Had Pagos been far LESS of another Diadem-meets-FFXI's-worst type of experience then I might have stayed subbed, or maybe I'd stave off resubbing for a day or two tops (because this game has other issues still not properly addressed). Thanks to Pagos? A month, maybe more.

Really, that's all SE will listen to these days is the sub numbers. If we stay subbed while shouting at them, and even keep doing the shit content we don't want, then nothing will get fixed. Ever.

Additionally, I would not be surprised if it turned out that every time we cue into Pagos, even if it's the same instance and we gtfo after a couple seconds, it counted towards the area's activity. So those of us trying, or who did try, to get a more suitable instance added that much more to it in that scenario. I don't have SE's data in front of me, however, so I cannot prove this at all. All the more reason not to touch Pagos at all if it is, honestly.

[Jib]

My view of this whole situation is basically this.

Ok you want to follow this “vision” of gameplay with diadem, anemos/pagos/pyros/blablabla fine, keep it there for those that like this kind of content, but don’t put the relic behind it!!

I enjoyed the relic how it was before in its different forms. At the moment it is a piece of content that, personally, was removed from the game, simply because I just can’t do it. I can’t do Eureka!! I prefer do go and clean toilets, listen to a baby cry, watch paint dry... that to do the most boring mindless piece of content I have ever seen in a large scale mmorpg...

[Deceptus]

My view of this whole situation is basically this.

Ok you want to follow this “vision” of gameplay with diadem, anemos/pagos/pyros/blablabla fine, keep it there for those that like this kind of content, but don’t put the relic behind it!!

Without a major, game defining carrot behind it this content can't stand on it's own. Just like the two iterations before it.

I just logged onto Reddit and saw a thread from someone who has all 15 Pagos weapons. Here's some of what they had to say...

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Ok, I know some people love grinding and huge respect to that person for putting the time in to get every weapon. I don't want to disparage their achievement at all, but...
That's it? That's what we get? Content so engaging that not only can you watch something else while you do it but you probably need to do that, in order to stave off the boredom. Says it all.

Despite the fact he/she admitted to exploiting the sytem:

And when I couldn't get a dragon party I would go to the lvl 20 bunny fate and pull 3 yarzons, get them down to about 15% life and use Contre to kill all 3 at once and then immediatley click my levelsync macro, so I could get a chain and have a chance at bright to newborn star light (depending on chain.) But theres also times where I would go like 150 mobs without getting light and there were also times where I would get like 4 bars in 40mins cuz of lucky rng.