This Needs to Be Said

[Nariel]

First of all... Why nobody point out the fact we totaly lost our Gerolt drunk rambling about money he own to Rowena and showing how awesome he is at his job to a "look at me I'm so clever" PnJ. God, I miss that more than anything. Farming my relics was most of the time painfull, but I had my rail of salt the Gerolt way afterward and now I just give crap to a PnJ named Gerolt that give me 2 lines of "I'll do the work because money now go back to doing the same thing over again for hours farmer of friggin' light".

GIVE US OUR GEROLT STORYLINE BACK FOR THE LOVE OF WHATEVER GOD YOU WANT !

And you know what keep me awake at night ?

The fact that maybe one day we will miss eureka because they will make it even worst... The day will come when we will regret those time joking in /shout about how eureka is the worst thing ever added in this game, congratulate people who finaly finish their weapon promising to themselves they never going back here at any cost. Because when you think it can't be worse... Oh boy devs know how to make you regret this assumption.

Cause in the next expansion we will farm light for the 4th time and they will show us a new world of uninspired boringness like we never saw before.

[Ryaz]

It's killing me to not have really done Pagos for my Samurai relic at least. But every time I think of going back in there I realize I'd rather castrate myself with a dull spoon. That would be less painful than Pagos. It's the grind of FFXI, but with zero fun and carpal tunnel inducing game play.

[Dualgunner]

Thats fine I rather not waste time. Unlike you, I live and let live.

But here you are, posting and wasting time.

[Ceasaria]

I really like Eureka, and have been having a blast in both zones so far, especially in the first couple weeks when it releases where you have to discover mechanics and some NMs can easily lead to a wipe if people are not careful.
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Keep it up devs, many are looking forward to Pyros!

Imo, it's the strengh of Eureka (+ the map).
Trying to understand how work NM fate, Mutation/Adaptation, Light, Bunny fate, etc., it was pleasant while I was progressing in Eureka and in the relic steps.

[Dzian]

The only way to stop it is to not do it. I don't care if you want the relic or whatever. You want them to stop and listen then hard change needs to happen. No - I'm only doing it for this or that- Cause anyone entering it at all is going to be the suits telling the devs to - Keep doing it.

Pretty much exactly why I haven't gone in. I spent at most 20 minutes in Anemos on day 1 saw it was basically a fate grind. Something else players absolutely hate. And have never gone back since.

[Marcellus_Cassius]

So...essentially, when you offered up a subtle rebuke by saying you'd complain about something that you don't like in response to my complaint, and I told you to go ahead and do it...you respond with a passive aggressive snipe? Hm. Seems legit. Not everyone is going to like certain content, and some people, such as myself and clearly many many others, are going to speak up about it. It just so happens that a lot of people just simply dislike this - so we speak up about it, very loudly. I'm failing to see what the issue is.

I don't really mean to sit here and have this back and forth with you, I'm surprised you picked my simple comment to pick a bone against, I wasn't expecting any response from it. I felt your response to my original comment was aggressive because it required no response yet you felt upset enough about it to give me the standard "well maybe you should". I meant to point out how other players can accept content not tailored to their preference yet we have an unending amount of threads dedicated to expressing resentment with Eureka. This is an mmo, you pick and choose whats compatible with you- not everything will be, if we set the bar at "new content must be the type for me or it can't be constructed because it takes time from the delivery of the set dungeons and raids" -a formula we complain about to no end as well, how can we ever innovate. It may not be perfect but at least they are trying and that means taking risks and persevering past failure. I think it is safe to say most people agree some favorable progress is being made with every iteration of the instance, although yes probably Anemos is more likable. But maybe this is evidence to your point and it is your right to voice your opinion but understand that I was excercising that same right when disagreeing with you. However I admit my original comment was in poor taste and improperly conveyed my intent, I'm not trying to accuse you of any wrongdoing.

[KaivaC]

I have a question...let's imagine that everybody who dislike Eureka stops running it (I still don't understand why they do...) and, in one year, we have statistics that show that the number of Eureka final weapons is really high among the playerbase. Will you claim that the content shouldn't exist in the game, or admit that it's simply something you personally don't like ? You know, like PvP or Savage arent' for everyone...

Number 1, that argument is flawed because relics are tied behind Eureka. Even if statistics are high, that doesn't mean that a vast majority of those players are going to like having to go through an extremely long grind like this. This is where the feedback part would've really came in. For such an ambitious project that has taken so many resources to use, it is surprising that the devs have not offered a way for those in-game players to leave honest feedback on the system. A better argument would've been if relics weren't tied to this, but rather something else entirely, and numbers were still high.

Let's be honest here: this is first time I've openly stated my disdain for Eureka. I don't intend to make multiple threads railing against it, or going around different threads and shooting down Eureka (bringing this up specifically because you are mentioning Savage and I know where this might lead). To answer your question directly: my opinion won't change just because other players either are enjoying it, or are running it in high numbers. I don't care that there are a lot of others who are actively running it and having fun - like I've said before, do you. But myself and others don't have to like it. And if one little thread like mines makes people feel triggered enough that they felt that they had to respond against my comments, simply because myself and others don't like it, then oh well, go make a support thread about it. Don't come here and tell me I'm wrong for disliking something.

I don't really mean to sit here and have this back and forth with you, I'm surprised you picked my simple comment to pick a bone against, I wasn't expecting any response from it. Your response to my original comment was the only passive aggressive comment in our exchange because it required no response yet you felt upset enough about it to give me the standard "well maybe you should". I meant to point out how other players can accept content not tailored to their preference yet we have an unending amount of threads dedicated to expressing resentment with Eureka. Maybe this is evidence to your point and it is your right to voice your opinion but understand that I was excercising that same right when disagreeing with you.

Ok? I suppose positing a decent, sarcastic response to your baiting equates being upset. Sure, why not. *shrugs* We've had about 2 posts each to one another - not exactly what I would call a back-and-forth. Like I have told posters before, if you take an issue with players like me openly expressing our dislike about Eureka, you can easily just make a support thread rather than try to say 'you people are wrong for disliking this content' without really even saying why we are wrong. About your comment on rights to voice opinions...I mean, I did encourage you to go ahead and make a thread complaining about Savage if that's how you felt. I'm here expressing my opinion about Eureka, so I have no idea why you're bringing the right to voice opinions up when I don't believe nobody has been told to not express their opinion.

So far, all I've been seeing is "How dare you not like Eureka, Kaiva! How dare you express your opinion against 'good' content! I need to tell you how you are wrong for saying you don't like Eureka".

I mean, if that's the counter-argument...

Did you even play during Diadem? Seems odd to make yourself the poster girl for this rage thread.

I am simply stating an opinion. I've always done that.

[Ilyrian]

The playerbase. Hates. Diadem.

Did you even play during Diadem? Seems odd to make yourself the poster girl for this rage thread.

[Ilyrian]

I am simply stating an opinion. I've always done that.

Other peoples.
But good to have you back nonetheless - I need at least 5 threads a day I can roll my eyes to. It's been very quiet without you.

[Reynhart]

Even if statistics are high, that doesn't mean that a vast majority of those players are going to like having to go through an extremely long grind like this.

This is a video game, if a content is not fun, you can simply don't do it. If you still do, then thank you, you're playing the part of those who like it and encourage SE creating more content than this.

This is where the feedback part would've really came in.

Any feedback is only a minority. SE will trust statistics more than any feedback.

For such an ambitious project that has taken so many resources to use, it is surprising that the devs have not offered a way for those in-game players to leave honest feedback on the system.

Unless you make a mandatory poll on logging, you can't force people to give you feedback. It's not the devs' fault if so few people use the forum.

To answer your question directly: my opinion won't change just because other players either are enjoying it, or are running it in high numbers.

I'm not asking you to change your opinion. We can consider a content as valuable asset, even if we don't directly run it. Me, I don't do Savage nor PvP, nor housing, nor Gold Saucer, but I admit that it helps giving some players a goal that dungeon and primals alone wouldn't cover. So, it's good for them. On the other hand, I really doubt enough people play Lords Of Verminion to consider it an important part of the game.

My problem is not that people don't like it, but that the fact that they don't like is valid enough to ask forchanging it completely, damn be those who like it, or even deleting it.

Again, the only thing I'd say you're wrong about is "doing a content you don't like" but that's not specific to Eureka.