This Needs to Be Said

[Nariel]

First of all... Why nobody point out the fact we totaly lost our Gerolt drunk rambling about money he own to Rowena and showing how awesome he is at his job to a "look at me I'm so clever" PnJ. God, I miss that more than anything. Farming my relics was most of the time painfull, but I had my rail of salt the Gerolt way afterward and now I just give crap to a PnJ named Gerolt that give me 2 lines of "I'll do the work because money now go back to doing the same thing over again for hours farmer of friggin' light".

GIVE US OUR GEROLT STORYLINE BACK FOR THE LOVE OF WHATEVER GOD YOU WANT !

And you know what keep me awake at night ?

The fact that maybe one day we will miss eureka because they will make it even worst... The day will come when we will regret those time joking in /shout about how eureka is the worst thing ever added in this game, congratulate people who finaly finish their weapon promising to themselves they never going back here at any cost. Because when you think it can't be worse... Oh boy devs know how to make you regret this assumption.

Cause in the next expansion we will farm light for the 4th time and they will show us a new world of uninspired boringness like we never saw before.

[Ryaz]

It's killing me to not have really done Pagos for my Samurai relic at least. But every time I think of going back in there I realize I'd rather castrate myself with a dull spoon. That would be less painful than Pagos. It's the grind of FFXI, but with zero fun and carpal tunnel inducing game play.

[Dualgunner]

Thats fine I rather not waste time. Unlike you, I live and let live.

But here you are, posting and wasting time.

[Marcellus_Cassius]

But here you are, posting and wasting time.

I do believe creating a thread outlining and detailing a dislike for something and posting a reply in disagreement are not entirely the same.

[Dzian]

The only way to stop it is to not do it. I don't care if you want the relic or whatever. You want them to stop and listen then hard change needs to happen. No - I'm only doing it for this or that- Cause anyone entering it at all is going to be the suits telling the devs to - Keep doing it.

Pretty much exactly why I haven't gone in. I spent at most 20 minutes in Anemos on day 1 saw it was basically a fate grind. Something else players absolutely hate. And have never gone back since.

[Ilyrian]

The playerbase. Hates. Diadem.

Did you even play during Diadem? Seems odd to make yourself the poster girl for this rage thread.

[Alleo]

Did you even play during Diadem? Seems odd to make yourself the poster girl for this rage thread.

If diadem was well liked, why did the devs need to do a second version, apologize for the first and then release something that was even faster death? (I mean its probably the second content next to LoV that was death that fast) So the playerbase totally loved Diadem.

[Ilyrian]

If diadem was well liked, why did the devs need to do a second version, apologize for the first and then release something that was even faster death? (I mean its probably the second content next to LoV that was death that fast) So the playerbase totally loved Diadem.

I didn't say it was well liked... by the people who were there at least. Ya girl wasn't there and hasn't even set foot in Pagos.

[KaivaC]

I wasn't done editing when you wrote back- my fault, anyhow.

This is an mmo, you pick and choose whats compatible with you- not everything will be, if we set the bar at "new content must be the type for me or it can't be constructed because it takes time from the delivery of the set dungeons and raids" -a formula we complain about to no end as well, how can we ever innovate. It may not be perfect but at least they are trying and that means taking risks and persevering past failure. I think it is safe to say most people agree some favorable progress is being made with every iteration of the instance, although yes probably Anemos is more likable. But maybe this is evidence to your point and it is your right to voice your opinion but understand that I was exercising that same right when disagreeing with you. However I admit my original comment was in poor taste and improperly conveyed my intent, I'm not trying to accuse you of any wrongdoing.

Edit: But seeing your post from above it seems the main gripe is relics being tied to it? I mean, I can't argue against it, they have changed the way we obtain them and if this content doesn't suit you I can see why you dislike it, I can't offer any solution to that matter but compared to how they used to be obtained what is the biggest barrier for you? Group play doesn't seem to be a problem from your original post, is it the grind? I recommend you try Pagos before jumping to conclusions based off what other people are saying about Pagos, you mentioned you have not yet tried it. It really isn't that bad, I think it can be finished easily in less than a month.

From my view, this is not exactly them trying something new and innovating. This, to me, is them trying to refine a formula that has been receiving nothing but fierce pushback because, lo and behold, this is not FFXI. There is too much reliance on FATE grinds. I get it - they want to create content that lasts. I can acknowledge that in theory, yes, they are making steps in that direction. But the Diadem-style just doesn't work for a lot of us. You only have one option to get your relic. You don't have a choice to run different type of content. It's Eureka or bust.

But since obtaining the relic is already your choice, you have the choice not to run this content.
It's exactly the same as every other weapon besides Tome. If you want Byakko weapon, you do Byakko EX, if you want an Empyrean weapon, you have to do HoH, if you want a Diamond weapon, you do Omega Savage. You're the one giving that much importance to the relic, so you're the one forcing you to do the content, so again, it's on you, especially when they made perfectly clear from the get go that this would be a "Eureka weapon".

And they're right to do so, since again, if you're not satisfied, no one forces you to do it. And they can't have a decent sample on how many people are "satisfied".

That's why I make myself clear that you're not in the wrong for not liking it

Color me pesimistic but I doubt "encouraging" would be enough. But, frankly, I wouldn't be against a mandatory poll at login. Since Eureka is clearly the most divisive part of SB, it would help having a clear tendency, wether it favors me or you.

I wouldn't want a mandatory poll. Like I said earlier, the devs could easily just encourage it, but don't force players to give feedback - that's just shooting yourself in the foot. But they certainly can make it easy for players to provide honest feedback. You know as well as I that a lot of players want a relic weapon. A lot of us don't mind a grind - just not in this method.

Look, you can dislike Eureka as you will. But the point is, don't get antsy about something based on a single line in an interview. That same interview was touting the SAM, RDM, and BLM changes as if they were something special, when they just were straight potency icnreases. A big problem is overreacting based on this, and we simply don't know yet if it will be a serious problem.

As for pagos...honestly, I think a lot of the salt comes from people expecting to bang out multiple relics in a week. It's actualy fast progression just doing your logs per week, and joining fates nearby you when they pop; if you are below 30, just stay in the southern part doing your logs, and maybe exp a little on mobs that pop the low level fates. You can level pretty fast, and light gain so far is ok doing it.

The issues do come to a head if your goal is to get multiple ones. But a lot of issues I think comes to teh playerbase wanting to either slowly do things in chunks of no more than fifteen minutes, or hardcore gridn it out in a week or less from launch. This isn't really designed for that.

No...the issue is that it's far too much grinding for what you get in the end. That's...really it. And again, the ability to be able to do these grinds in Eureka is hinging on enough players keeping each zone populated enough for newer players entering. Players are just tired of FATE grinding and Diadem-style instances. You are sitting here telling me I can dislike Eureka as much as I want, and then immediately tell me not to respond to a line that came from the devs in an interview that they gave. Maybe you are willing to give it a chance, and that's okay for you. But don't tell players who already dislike Eureka's grind that they shouldn't be a little bit perturbed about information that came out about Pyros.

I didn't say it was well liked... by the people who were there at least. Ya girl wasn't there and hasn't even set foot in Pagos.

Oh? Have you been stalking me? Because you're a terrible stalker. Do you know for sure that I never went to Diadem? Hm? Did it not occur to you that, yes, I have been to Diadem. I went with my very first Siren FC. And yes, I hated it. So what now? I shouldn't complain about Eureka just because I haven't gone into Pagos? Even though it's much of the same in concept and execution? That, despite the fact that I'd be entering at level 20, I lose access to my mounts again, I lose access to aethernet, and after I claw my way back up to 35, I have to farm for light exclusively, despite whatever gains I may get starting at level 25? It's pretty bad to make assumptions based on what I choose to share. Also...fun fact, my current forum character is not my only character, nor is it my main. So...

...I leave the floor to you for a retort.

Giving your opinions on things you haven't done - reminds me of the time you started telling people how to do Savage... great times.
Oh and remember how you when you gave me your opinion of WoW when you haven't even played it... something to cherish.

Anyway - You put my back up when you create these bandwagons for people to follow, having no solid experience yourself. I should ignore it, you're right about that. Carry on, I guess; at least you've got another thread out of it.

Ah...bringing things up that really have nothing to do with this thread. Ok then, moving on.

[Ilyrian]

Oh? Have you been stalking me? Because you're a terrible stalker. Do you know for sure that I never went to Diadem? Hm? Did it not occur to you that, yes, I have been to Diadem. I went with my very first Siren FC. And yes, I hated it. So what now? I shouldn't complain about Eureka just because I haven't gone into Pagos? Even though it's much of the same in concept and execution? That, despite the fact that I'd be entering at level 20, I lose access to my mounts again, I lose access to aethernet, and after I claw my way back up to 35, I have to farm for light exclusively, despite whatever gains I may get starting at level 25? It's pretty bad to make assumptions based on what I choose to share. Also...fun fact, my current forum character is not my only character, nor is it my main. So...

...I leave the floor to you for a retort.

Giving your opinions on things you haven't done - reminds me of the time you started telling people how to do Savage... great times.
Oh and remember how you when you gave me your opinion of WoW when you haven't even played it... something to cherish.

Anyway - You put my back up when you create these bandwagons for people to follow, having no solid experience yourself. I should ignore it, you're right about that. Carry on, I guess; at least you've got another thread out of it.