The Road to 5.0

[Theodric]

I mean, I've given you a day, and you still haven't responded to my post, so I'm not sure that you're arguing in good faith either.

Nobody is obligated to respond to every single post and as I've stated many times I'm rather bored of the stalemate. Some people here aren't going to change their stance, myself included, when it comes to aspects of the lore that are open to interpretation and revolve around grey morality. I typed out literal quotes from the lore book by hand only to have them ignored and downplayed to fit a biased argument. I'm happy to agree to disagree - and I think it's fair to suggest that personal attacks are far more important to smooth out than the same tiresome arguments about Garlemald that have gone around in circles for...two years, now? Three? I don't know exactly how long it's been happening, though it's been since Heavensward at the very least.

The fact of the matter is as Anonymoose stated. There's good in Garlemald and there's bad in Garlemald. I have never argued otherwise. Yet when I see people falsely claim that Garlemald is 'evil' or characters such as Regula or Yotsuyu aren't without sympathetic qualities I intervene. I've never done anything beyond that, which makes the accusations that I defend Garlemald at every turn all the more baffling. I argue from their perspective at times, certainly, but I have also pointed out frequently that Garlemald requires reform. My point with discussing Garlemald's origins, however, was that they would have died out if not for ceruleum being present in the territory they forced to retreat into. They also had few options but to resort to warfare to improve their situation. First within their scattered numbers, then their neighbours (securing the territory they used to live in as a consequence) and later came the attempt to secure the rest of Hydaelyn. I agree that they never should have ventured beyond their current and former territory. It's why I'm not too bothered by the loss of Gyr Abania and Yanxia. Or Rabanastre - which is likely to be freed as well based on developer commentary.

At the end of the day, though, FFXIV is a vast setting with many aspects of its story to discuss. Garlemald is but a small part of it - so it's a shame that this place seems to revolve around the same circular arguments again and again and again. Does nobody want to discuss Pagos, for instance? I tried to start up a discussion about that in another thread and nothing really came of it. This place does not need to be a battlefield and it certainly shouldn't resort to personal attacks such as what was posted earlier by another poster.

I, for one, would like to see this place prosper and to put these unpleasant arguments behind us. Yet that requires a group effort and all involved need to grasp for the olive branch and admit that - as Maxima aptly stated - mistakes have been made.

Putting all that aside, though...

I was hoping that we'd have the 4.4 trailer to discuss today. Though it has, unfortunately, been delayed. At least Dragon Quest XI is out on Tuesday, so hopefully we'll get the trailer by then too! Is anyone else planning on getting the game?