White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[NarikoStar]

As I said, I care about precedent, and all this does is suggest that they might be able to bring back older items that people like/miss/want back. Which, considering the fact that I've seen requests for old pieces of gear to be brought into the game, I see as being a good thing.

I wanted to link around some stuff that's been getting said on the JP thread side of things.

Similar to you, I believe its the precedent and principle which is the issue.

FFXIV 1.0 Patch notes 1.23a

Patch notes list the instance battle under "Event" category. The fight itself was only unlockable after completed Calamity Event sidequests. While slightly unrelated these sidequests, once completed, also gave the rare "Dalamud Horn" by obtaining the achievement "Once in a Lifetime"- if the achievement name itself doesn't set the tone to players at the time, I'm not sure what else would.
For those unaware- this item is still currently locked but I've seen same debates as the Ravens on this topic.

Moving forward in 1.23a patch notes new items were also listed. Over-aspected Crystal, Lunar Curtains, Dalamud Horn, White Ravens, Manderville Earrings, Diety Rings, etc.

Looking over at the JP blog side of things, it lists out items that will not be "newborn", or not re-obtainable, in ARR. While it doesn't specifically list out White Ravens, it does mention "Items acquired in the event related to the seventh spiritual disaster" then listing examples such as Over-aspected Crystals that were listed right alongside White Ravens. The fact we had these quests presented to us back then as Seventh Era Events then also had listed we would not be seeing a recreation of said Seventh Era items I believe makes it pretty clear original intention was for these items to be exclusive to the time.


Needless to say, we've already seen some backpedaling and contradictions, for example Manderville Earrings being released and the diety rings. So the point itself is pretty mute other than the fact that the tone the developers were setting at the time was indeed implementing that these would stay exclusive to the events which happened surrounding the Calamity.

Slippery slope indeed. You can't please everyone, but I still believe implementing the White Raven's item exactly how it was in 1.0 is the wrong way to go about it for an item that was at the time of BCoBU/UwU difficulty to obtain and still suggest adding "Replica" to it's name.

edit: grammer

[Sigma-Astra]

Had it not been for this event, I would have never known that these things existed in the first place honestly because I'm not a 1.0 player. I can understand both sides of the playing field: the ones that want their virtual achievements and exclusivity to stay where they are vs. the others who think it's fine and that they had their limelight for 5+ years and it's time to let things go.

No one can take your own personal achievements away from you and if you earned those earrings because you wanted to prove something to yourself, that's fine, you go get 'em. But, for the ones that merely wanted those earrings to lord it over others? How does that work out when a good portion of the playerbase back then and the new ones coming into the game as of now had no clue that they existed in the first place? How can you lord an achievement over others when no one remembered or knew it existed in the first place?

I mean, I won first place in a state-wide art show when I was in 5th grade. There's literally no point in bringing or lording that achievement over others when no one even remembers or knew that it happened several years ago.

An achievement should be for yourself, not because you want something to brag about and hang above other people's heads that you're someone better than they are.

The 1.0 people who have the earrings can honestly say that they beat an exceptionally hard fight during those times and be proud of that. No one can take that self pride away from you ever. No one.

The people with the earrings now can only say that they did a 15 minute event of pressing [X] over and over. Myself included probably if I feel like actually doing the event that is.

[Vaer]

Most of the item sets from 1.0 were re-released in 2.0 even if their content was deleted. The Militia set from Hamlet Defense was turned into a craftable set. Hamlet Defense doesn't exist anymore. The relic models were repurposed and their quest chain was overhauled. The garuda and ifrit fights from 1.x are pretty similar to the ones we got in 2.0 even down to some of the mechanics. I mean T9 even looks somewhat similar to rivenroad, they're not the same fight but.. yeah.

It's odd that they withheld these two earrings as rewards when they released all the other gear sets fine if they weren't meant to be "exclusive". The White Ravens and Manderville items have been in the game since 2.0 so it's not like they just decided to port them recently, they were already in the game since 2.0.

Hey who knows, maybe they meant timed exclusive which seems to be their definition of exclusive recently although all the hype building and advertising they did during 1.2x made it seem like it was a one time thing.

[alimdia]

I wanted to link around some stuff that's been getting said on the JP thread side of things.

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I'd like to point out that "I believe makes it pretty clear original intention was for these items to be exclusive to the time." and "the fact that the tone the developers were setting at the time was indeed implementing that these would stay exclusive to the events which happened surrounding the Calamity" means that was an interpretation you took, not something the devs stated, and you can't be upset because you misinterpreted their intentions, you can't hold them accountable for something they never said in the first place.

Anyone looking at this from the angle of "reward from old hard content", where were you when they added the undersized option to parties? Every reward from old hard content can be obtained faster than you can do that event due to undersized parties, and it is very much a fact that if Rivenroad (hard) was still in the game you'd also be able to unsync it faster than you can do this event.

Anyone looking at this from the angle of "this is a reward from a past event", haven't you noticed that every single event reward has been made available again through other means?

I don't see a single valid argument to why these earrings can't be added other than the obsession with wanting things exclusive, as far as I know the only thing SE promised exclusivity was legacy rewards, and as we all know these earrings are not part of the legacy campaign.

[Alien_Gamer]

Lace requested I relay her thoughts on the matter for her:

If I can try to put this in perspective a bit:

I graduated Air Force Basic Training almost 10 years ago now. And a week late at that, literally because someone took too long to sign something. Fact is, I graduated, and I got my Airman's Coin. It represents a small portion of the hardships I faced to get there, and it means a lot to me for that. I'm not the only one who has one. Thousands of people do. Some went through more than I did, some less. Some couldn't care less about the stupid coin; plenty of people even lost theirs and don't even miss it. But I DO care about mine because it's a reward for my efforts - even when those efforts were setback by factors entirely out of my control.

My time serving has come and gone, and again, I'm hardly the only one with an Airman's Coin. Thousands have one, thousands more can get one. . . IF they join the Air Force and complete Basic Training. So long as they do that, I don't care if they get one. But if say, the Air Force began literally giving them out to just anyone, regardless of if they complete Basic or not, yes, THEN I have a huge problem. I still have my coin, of course, but the issue is now "everyone gets one" but doesn't have to take on the challenges that I did for it. And that's not okay.

Now here's the part where you say "Oh but that's real life! This is just a video game! Who cares?" Well. . . do you care at all about anything you've made efforts to get in game? Is there anything you've actually worked hard for? More importantly, even if it in no way takes away from your accomplishments in game, would you be okay with someone else just simply showing up and getting the same thing you worked for without equivalent effort?

THIS is what people have issue with. They worked for it. Now it's just being handed out. This isn't entitlement, and it's not wanting to feel special or different. It's handing out a reward for effort without the effort or any equivalent. Show up, get a "coin". Now you're special like everyone else.

P.S. I've been subbed longer than anyone was for 1.x, and I've cleared harder things than Rivenroad (Hard). I don't want the earrings, because I never cleared Rivenroad, but when do I get to start paying less for a sub?

[Canadane]

The 1.0 people who have the earrings can honestly say that they beat an exceptionally hard fight during those times and be proud of that. No one can take that self pride away from you ever. No one.

The people with the earrings now can only say that they did a 15 minute event of pressing [X] over and over. Myself included probably if I feel like actually doing the event that is.

The thing is, people could lie and say they've done the fight and how could you tell?
So while self-pride may be there, your trophy in the end showcasing your achievement is now entirely worthless.

[Sigma-Astra]

The thing is, people could lie and say they've done the fight and how could you tell?
So while self-pride may be there, your trophy in the end showcasing your achievement is now entirely worthless.

It's only worthless if you deem it worthless yourself and that it has no value. The same thing can be said for time as well. In order for something to lose credibility or value to you, you have to let it first.

If you let the idea of other people having the earrings bother you and then make yourself believe that all of the time you spent in 1.0 was for nothing because of that statement, then...did those earrings ever really have as much stock and value as you claimed it did in the first place if you can just drop their value from 100 to 0 in an instant?

[Canadane]

It's only worthless if you deem it worthless yourself and that it has no value. The same thing can be said for time as well. In order for something to lose credibility or value to you, you have to let it first.

If you let the idea of other people having the earrings bother you and then make yourself believe that all of the time you spent in 1.0 was for nothing, then...did it ever really have as much stock and value as you claimed it did in the first place?

I don't even own the earrings my friend.
But the post above mine regarding the Airman's Coin is exactly what people are trying to say.

[Sigma-Astra]

I don't even own the earrings my friend.
But the post above mine regarding the Airman's Coin is exactly what people are trying to say.

Well, I'm just speaking in general terms, honestly. Regarding the Airman's Coin, it's a legitimate argument, and there are parts of it that I do agree with. I'm just part of the people who also doesn't allow, the concept at least, of others to somehow invalidate the work that I've done towards something simply because I took the harder road than they did.

Like for Ixion for example, I camped him upon SB's first release when it was harder and much more crazy to get the gold medals that dropped more tokens between the severe lag and overload on the instance servers...I camped him to insane hours too because I wanted the mount so badly. Now, it's much easier to get Ixion than before since they upped the amount of horns that drop when you get gold, silver, or bronze.

The people who get Ixion now, who brag about it in the Reach of how they farmed him for a week straight as of this patch? They will never be able to invalidate the amount of work and sanity I put into getting that mount. Ever. They'll never invalidate the month or so it took me to get him.

Because I simply won't let them, that's why.

[Skivvy]

Of all the XIV 1.0 items, could they not have gone with something that didn't already carry over into ARR?