So, how is Pagos?

[InkstainedGwyn]

And SE banks on all of the people who say "I don't like it but it's all I have so I'll do it." Ignoring the fact that for a lot of folks it's not even tolerable, "tolerable" should never be a bar we allow games to stoop to. If this was back in the days of actual server limitations, when giving capes "wind" physics was a Big Deal, maybe this kind of grind would have been "tolerable" because games hadn't broken out into new types of content and playstyles. But it's 2018. Games have already proven million times over that they can do much more innovative stuff than this. Even a "hearken back to XI," which so many players want, could be done more enjoyably than this. If you don't want to stand up and say "Shame, SE, you could do better" that's fine. But "it's not the worst" should never be an acceptable parameter for something.

And for the record, we all know the satisfaction of a job well completed, we're not saying it needs to be a walk in the park. But I don't find that much satisfaction in the same monotonous motions nonstop for 2 weeks. I certainly don't want to pay for the privilege of doing it.

[Zojha]

I think the point he's making is that, some (raiders, to be specific) can invest less time and effort into getting weapons that are better than the weapons from Pagos.

That, in fairness, is intentional.

The development team will no longer be using difficult content such as this, but in the event that they utilize content completion as a requirement it would be on the level of storyline primal battles or Alexander normal, and such. By doing so, even players who are not into clearing difficult content will have a goal and be able to earn powerful weapons if they put in the time, though they will be slower to reach this point than the top tier of players.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/276368

And looking glaring at Eureka, I think that idea has not fundamentally changed. Relics are pretty much meant to be pointless for people who both can and like to do challenging content.

Issues do however arise if you compare them to tome weapons, which need neither a considerable skill, nor time investment. When relics lag behind those is when it gets really awkward.

[Keiisuke]

The relic quest is a way for casual players to get a decent weapon, it's not about having the most "prestigious" weapon.

[HyoMinPark]

Issues do however arise if you compare them to tome weapons, which need neither a considerable skill, nor time investment. When relics lag behind those is when it gets really awkward.

In which case, they have. Some, in particular, are inferior to the current Tome weapons (WHM is a good example of this). Which have been available for far longer, and are now extremely easy to get, since the Solvent can be bought with Coins from the 24-Mans.

Relics were at least guaranteed BiS at the end of an expansion, and available to be useful during progression. As it stands now, I wonder if some will reach BiS status without the ability to customize their stats. All in all, I'd call SB's relics relatively lackluster.

The relic quest is a way for casual players to get a decent weapon, it's not about having the most "prestigious" weapon.

Casual players can already get decent weapons fairly easily and for far less effort than the Pagos relics, though, and have been able to for a while now. Some of which outright outclass the relics.

[Ilan]

I have been however at 35 - with my lowbie friend at 30. He does gain 2k exp on crabs with me and another 35 power leveling him. You might say that's not much but considering how fast we killed and how much chain 30 we gained it was not a steep slope. Much better in the end so there is not loss hope for those trapped on lower stuff. Find your 35 friend - and ask them to help you until SE sorts the mess out.

Ehm...That works with 5 Level difference and thats all. If i get the person i usualy play with i get exactly 0 exp because i'm 22 and she is 34. So its not done with "Find your 35 friend..."
Also with 30 it is not a problem to find a party to grind your brain out it is a problem for the ones who are under 25. They have to play mostly alone and that should not be.

[Jxnibbles]

Hit 35 last monday. Got a weapon a friend wanted me to help them by driving them on the mount one hour later we went to play Wow. This sure feels casual when you can get the same Ilevel weapon for almost zero effort.

They need to rethink the strength of the relic when people can get a 370 weapon from a 24man with very little effort . Maybe they should release the weapon upgrade in 24man after the relic step is released.

[jameseoakes]

They need to rethink the strength of the relic when people can get a 370 weapon from a 24man with very little effort . Maybe they should release the weapon upgrade in 24man after the relic step is released.

Then the relic needs to come a lot earlier

[HyoMinPark]

Then the relic needs to come a lot earlier

Honestly with the amount of time you have to sink into Pagos, I have to agree with the idea of them releasing the relic sooner. At least it would give player more time to enjoy their relic without feeling like it's almost immediately invalid.

[WhyAmIHere]

Honestly with the amount of time you have to sink into Pagos, I have to agree with the idea of them releasing the relic sooner. At least it would give player more time to enjoy their relic without feeling like it's almost immediately invalid.

Then they wouldn't have the time to add in those sleeping dragons to halt the flow of movement in Logos. Next I wouldn't be surprised if Logos' version is CC immune.

[Ceasaria]

SE give us a Eureka relic that has no particular effect in Eureka, strange...