So, how is Pagos?

[Liam_Harper]

In fact, I'd definitely be wary; this feels a lot more like "You guys complain about Anemos, but let us show you just how bad it can be, now take what we gave you and stop asking for improvements." And while that falls into another "conspiracy theory" and I'm not going to buy wholly into it, businesses very much think that way. I've been in business meetings where such things are discussed. "If we withhold x, y, and z features on release, which are already created and which we know our clients want, we can announce them after a few weeks so that it looks like we've taken their feedback into consideration without having to add more to the program." "I added [terrible thing] to the design, so that when the client asks for it to be removed they can feel like they've made input into the design without actually messing with anything."

While it's not impossible for a business to think this way, they'd have terrible business sense to intentionally plan this exactly when their main competitor and the largest MMO in the world had just launched a flashy new expansion. It's the worst timing for them imaginable to have a poor reception to their content, even if they did fix it later.

[InkstainedGwyn]

While it's not impossible for a business to think this way, they'd have terrible business sense to intentionally plan this exactly when their main competitor and the largest MMO in the world had just launched a flashy new expansion. It's the worst timing for them imaginable to have a poor reception to their content, even if they did fix it later.

To be fair, I really don't think it was their reasoning, although I have seen it in other businesses. But it's still a reason I don't want to just forget how Anemos and Pagos are still terrible in the relief of "they're finally doing something."

And also, to be fair, SE has shown before that they don't care about a lot of Western stuff, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're not even thinking about that.

[jadan2000]

Honestly, I liked it the way it was. I do hope that SE can find a way to not make long combat sessions so repetitive, but other then that, I enjoyed the change of pace .. standing around waiting for NMs to spawn is lame.

[Tsumdere]

Honestly, I liked it the way it was. I do hope that SE can find a way to not make long combat sessions so repetitive, but other then that, I enjoyed the change of pace .. standing around waiting for NMs to spawn is lame.

The cool thing is... you don't have to stand around. Go make a chain party.

All the people who say chain is dead? Just go chain. They didn't take them out.

[InkstainedGwyn]

The cool thing is... you don't have to stand around. Go make a chain party.

All the people who say chain is dead? Just go chain. They didn't take them out.

This. 3 out of every 4 complaints I see is that "great now I have to go stand around and afk."

1) Chaining is still viable. Make a PF group. I'm sure there's at least 8 of you on a datacentre.
2) Nobody is forcing you to join the train. If you're doing it because you say it's "fastest" you're acknowledging that it's more viable and that you're in it for the rewards and not the gameplay, which was what you were just telling everyone else we should be "enjoying".
3) It's (gasp) actually possible to contribute to the train and kill things. You can even follow the train and chain mobs in the surrounding areas. You are actively making the choice to AFK. I never once afk'd when I was in the train, nor did my friends.
4) If you are making the active choice to AFK then you are one of the problems. Stop being a hypocrite and accusing other people of doing the thing you choose to do.

[Alleo]

The cool thing is... you don't have to stand around. Go make a chain party.

All the people who say chain is dead? Just go chain. They didn't take them out.

And lets not forget that seemingly a lot of Light comes from chaining so its not like people dont have to chain anymore..if they dont increase the drop rate for Lights from NM I fear that this still will be way too much for casual players. You cant get them in a reasonable time from NM (as far as I have heard) and that means that people are still forced to chain..

[hynaku]

How it is now I don't see ones getting there weapon before next area is out. When next area is out almost everyone will be there that already has there weapon. they didn't need to buff the exp. all they need to do was buff light and crystals from chains and nms there. Also buff the treasure chests and drops.

[KageTokage]

The zone seems a bit more lively due to the train making a slight comeback, but I imagine a lot of people are probably going to get bored again once they realize that the light grind is still ridiculous after AFKing their ways to 35.

I did around 10 NMs in a single session and scarcely got a single bar from it.

[Deceptus]

The zone seems a bit more lively due to the train making a slight comeback, but I imagine a lot of people are probably going to get bored again once they realize that the light grind is still ridiculous after AFKing their ways to 35.

I did around 10 NMs in a single session and scarcely got a single bar from it.

Meanwhile a single NM at 24 gets me 50-60% of a level bar.

[Vaer]

The zone seems a bit more lively due to the train making a slight comeback, but I imagine a lot of people are probably going to get bored again once they realize that the light grind is still ridiculous after AFKing their ways to 35.

I did around 10 NMs in a single session and scarcely got a single bar from it.

Honestly the leveling to 35 part is the annoying part to me. Mindlessly grinding mobs at level cap when you have more travel options, a mount, free reign to not get one shot by 90% of the mobs in there makes the experience less annoying.

The light step has always been grindy though, granted there are barely any choices this time but a lot of people just spammed one thing repeatedly that might as well have been a hp sponge anyway. (like 500 Garuda HM for Zodiac, or facerolling A1S for anima).