So, how is Pagos?

[TheGrimace]

Waiting to see how the adjustments work out. I'm cautiously optimistic at this point, but this is hardly going to solve the biggest problems with Pagos. If anything, this is another bandage. I just hope it's a bandage that will stay in place long enough for me to finish the one relic item I'm interested in.

[Nestama]

I'll wait a day (or a few hours, depending) before entering Pagos. If the NM spawn rate is back to how it was in Anemos, then I'll board the train.

[TheGrimace]

Just spent two hours in Pagos. The train is viable once again and I got a level and a half in that time. I'll continue at it, but for those who like Anemos, Pagos is much the same now. Just, with different terrain and dragons to avoid.

[Aster_E]

Just spent two hours in Pagos. The train is viable once again and I got a level and a half in that time. I'll continue at it, but for those who like Anemos, Pagos is much the same now. Just, with different terrain and dragons to avoid.

And such things in need of tweaking, sch as the northwest aetheryte needing to be brought down to a lv27 requirement, light from mobs and NMs being handed a lift, even a minor one, and Pagos Crystals needing some enhancement (not too much, I don't think?).

[TheGrimace]

Yeah, it's still a very big problem that the MMs between 26-30 are in the northwestern corner, but you can't actually access the aetheryte until 30. The train gets diluted in the center of the map due to all of the dragons and random aggro varieties of nearby enemies. This was a problem before the train, but now it's even more noticeable when you're trying to rush. And now they're basically trying to say that trains are okay now, but they still have all of the chokepoints. It's very awkward and screams, "we don't know what we want you to do!"

[Rangar]

Well, looks like the train is sorta returned. Now play nice again.

[ImagiNation]

Think I am done with bunnies. This has made me hate bunnies. Not solely the fact that I am not getting gold, but other people are not getting gold either. In the last ten days of doing this after I reached 35 I have only see six people get gold. There is a very low quantity eyes on market boards. I do not understand the reasoning to make things so rare with patch 4.4 Patch in 3-4 weeks. People will not go back to Pagos to do bunnies just like people barely go back into Rival Wings all but once a week which will take some people at that rate over year to get Rival Wings mount. Not saying I want things handed to me, just that there is no incentive to waste my time getting peanuts when I can do other things that i enjoy.

[Rufalus]

Since we have all of this hatemail when things are rough I think the devs equally deserve a pat on the back for doing something right. I doubt it was part of the original plan to buff NM exp so massively just 2 weeks after release so I'm taking this as a sign that they are listening to all of this feedback. The roughest part of pagos, the leveling experience, is now smoothed over and not super slow. When there's this much negative feedback they are typically fast to respond or rectify the situation. Much appreciated.

[Deceptus]

Since we have all of this hatemail when things are rough I think the devs equally deserve a pat on the back for doing something right. I doubt it was part of the original plan to buff NM exp so massively just 2 weeks after release so I'm taking this as a sign that they are listening to all of this feedback. The roughest part of pagos, the leveling experience, is now smoothed over and not super slow. When there's this much negative feedback they are typically fast to respond or rectify the situation. Much appreciated.

It shouldn't have even been released in the initial state if they had just had a decent play test. A lot of the decisions in Pagos are mind boggling.

[InkstainedGwyn]

It shouldn't have even been released in the initial state if they had just had a decent play test. A lot of the decisions in Pagos are mind boggling.

I agree. While I don't mind acknowledging that they did return things back to what the majority of players were asking for, I want to be careful about too much accolade-giving. Yes, they gave us back the Anemos model - after already having proof that very few people wanted to do things Pagos-style. Let's not cheer too loudly; they made a stupid choice that started the game leaking players and tried to hastily patch the leak. Anemos still has a long way to go to be "good" content, it's just now become bearable. I don't want them to lull us into a false sense of accomplishment because we got them to give us back what we already had.

In fact, I'd definitely be wary; this feels a lot more like "You guys complain about Anemos, but let us show you just how bad it can be, now take what we gave you and stop asking for improvements." And while that falls into another "conspiracy theory" and I'm not going to buy wholly into it, businesses very much think that way. I've been in business meetings where such things are discussed. "If we withhold x, y, and z features on release, which are already created and which we know our clients want, we can announce them after a few weeks so that it looks like we've taken their feedback into consideration without having to add more to the program." "I added [terrible thing] to the design, so that when the client asks for it to be removed they can feel like they've made input into the design without actually messing with anything."