So, how is Pagos?

[Soupa]

I'm level 29 and its been a week and I haven't done my challenge logs yet this week. I have a full time job before anyone asks. Content is fine and all I've been doing is grouping/chaining with friends and talking in discord about dumb things in my free time. Its been fun for me so far. Kinda glad the train is dead, got tired of afking.

[Aster_E]

I'm level 29 and its been a week and I haven't done my challenge logs yet this week. I have a full time job before anyone asks. Content is fine and all I've been doing is grouping/chaining with friends and talking in discord about dumb things in my free time. Its been fun for me so far. Kinda glad the train is dead, got tired of afking.

Imagine if you weren't able to Discord with half or more of them because of time availability. Imagine if you were only able to party with randos whom you'd love to converse with, but the Chains didn't exactly allow for writing out messages. Your experience is not everyone else's, but if you can imagine being unable to socialize where it matters then you can, maybe, imagine how boring this system is for so many of us.

[Nixxe]

I'm level 29 and its been a week and I haven't done my challenge logs yet this week. I have a full time job before anyone asks. Content is fine and all I've been doing is grouping/chaining with friends and talking in discord about dumb things in my free time. Its been fun for me so far. Kinda glad the train is dead, got tired of afking.

If you were AFK during the train, that was because you decided to be. Some players had to actually kill mobs and not just leech. One is left to wonder why you might have preferred AFKing to mindlessly grinding mobs...

[Soupa]

Imagine if you weren't able to Discord with half or more of them because of time availability. Imagine if you were only able to party with randos whom you'd love to converse with, but the Chains didn't exactly allow for writing out messages. Your experience is not everyone else's, but if you can imagine being unable to socialize where it matters then you can, maybe, imagine how boring this system is for so many of us.

But I do converse with the randos I do party with when friends can't play. Theres plenty of time setting up to chain mobs that you can talk and even then if you really wanted to, you could just make your own discord server and invite people to it to talk during chaining.

If you were AFK during the train, that was because you decided to be. Some players had to actually kill mobs and not just leech. One is left to wonder why you might have preferred AFKing to mindlessly grinding mobs...

See its kinda hard to start chain groups when everyone is on the train. Great toxicity btw.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

See its kinda hard to start chain groups when everyone is on the train. Great toxicity btw.

Shouldn't that tell you something? The majority of people elected to join the train or AFK outright than chain grind mobs, i.e., doing literally nothing was more appealing than grinding trash mobs. Maybe the takeaway for the devs should have been, "how can we make this more fun so people want to contribute and actively play?" or "Maybe we should set damage requirements to NMs to lessen the AFKing since everyone seems to prefer Notorious Monsters." Instead, they seemingly got mad we weren't doing it as they intended. Good job, SE...

But yeah, preferring to kill bosses with actual mechanics in lieu of trash mobs who do the same thing endlessly is toxic.

[Aster_E]

But I do converse with the randos I do party with when friends can't play. Theres plenty of time setting up to chain mobs that you can talk and even then if you really wanted to, you could just make your own discord server and invite people to it to talk during chaining.

That's good for you, but it disregards most other people. I'm also fairly certain that I asked you to think about those other people, but you didn't. It's almost like you decided to exclude the thoughts or feelings of others who are unlike you, but that can't be right. Oh no, it most certainly cannot. Let's try this again. Can you put yourself in the shoes of so many other people, and imagine from their perspective, what it's like to be unable to truly converse without tools like Discord when you are trying to keep up a single Exp Chain?

[Soupa]

That's good for you, but it disregards most other people. I'm also fairly certain that I asked you to think about those other people, but you didn't. It's almost like you decided to exclude the thoughts or feelings of others who are unlike you, but that can't be right. Oh no, it most certainly cannot. Let's try this again. Can you put yourself in the shoes of so many other people, and imagine from their perspective, what it's like to be unable to truly converse without tools like Discord when you are trying to keep up a single Exp Chain?

Its comments like this why people don't come to the official forums anymore or are content with being banned.

[Aster_E]

Its comments like this why people don't come to the official forums anymore or are content with being banned.

You see, you are reminding more and more of the sort of person who, when called out or otherwise shown a mistake, likes to get defensive without addressing the reason someone responded to you in the first place. The same sort of person likes to throw around words like "toxic" and "condescending" because the rest of us DARE to contradict them or their egos and limited world views.

Yes, I asked you a question, twice, and I'm getting more irate at every attempt. It's not toxic to ask you to step outside your self-imposed shell and potentially grow as a result of experience the rest of the world in truth. "Toxic" indicates some level of internal destruction. To that, let me share a little idiom that my mom used to tell my sisters and me as we were growing up: "If you're not busy learning then you're busy dying." Well, what are you learning by refusing to learn from others, and calling other people toxic?

[InkstainedGwyn]

Its comments like this why people don't come to the official forums anymore or are content with being banned.

So wait. You're saying that you prefer chaining mobs to the train, but you did the train in Anemos because it was "easier" - even though you could still chain mobs. The train only ever focused on two NMs at one time, and unless you were in a very dried-out instance, there were always other NMs up to be spawned. You could have just found another 7 people who also loved chaining (and if you couldn't find 7 other people then maybe that's an indication that your love is not widely shared?) and gone to town, away from the train. There were even tons of difficult mobs that had nothing to do with the NMs if that was what you wanted. So basically, "props to SE for forcing me to do the longer thing that I say I liked more because I didn't have the personal willpower to stay away from the "easy" route".

That's your fault, not ours. Call us "toxic" and throw out ad hominem attacks as much as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that the way you played in Anemos was your choice, and you still had the choice to do otherwise (which, by the way, I know was possible and effective because I did it several times when we brought in newbies who needed a few levels before they could viably join the train.)

[Nixxe]

See its kinda hard to start chain groups when everyone is on the train. Great toxicity btw.

If you think I'm being toxic by pointing out the contradiction between your words and actions, you need to get a grip.

What does it matter if you couldn't chain groups? You could still kill mobs, help the NM spawn faster, and get your XP. The end result is the same: you grind mobs to get XP.