So, how is Pagos?

[Remus]

Yeah a PTR wouldve fixed this before it was a problem I'm in full agreement there 100%. Must be a Japanese thing cause I never seen Japanese devs provide us with a PTR. It's been mostly western devs who do, proving the east clearly don't understand their western fans. Sega has this problem too and capcom also in a few games to name a few.

From what I have noticed Japanese developers prefer to keep things as a surprise instead of testing to make sure it's right. A lot of the time they have good ideas but they have such a small sample size to actually try it (usually only internal) and they say it's good so they presume most will have the same opinion but that generally isn't always the case (I mean who thought Diadem on the team was good to release?).

[Riardon]

From what I have noticed Japanese developers prefer to keep things as a surprise instead of testing to make sure it's right. A lot of the time they have good ideas but they have such a small sample size to actually try it (usually only internal) and they say it's good so they presume most will have the same opinion but that generally isn't always the case (I mean who thought Diadem on the team was good to release?).

The Devs who are not actual players and never play the game enough to understand how a gamer feels/thinks/wants.
They don't have time to play enough with their product if at all to actually test it properly.
They think as coders and not as gamers so many things are good on paper but they suck in reality.
That being said can't see how they sould implement an actual PTS without having massive leaks about the story and dungeons/features way before release.
This is why they will never do a PTS.

[Souljacker]

That being said can't see how they sould implement an actual PTS without having massive leaks about the story and dungeons/features way before release.
This is why they will never do a PTS.

The same way all the other games on the PLANET do it?

Meaning, the reception of their product is far more important than the bit of a spoiler that might come down because of testing. Besides that, have you ever even been part of any beta testing? You don't get to play the story or the entirety of the content. You get to play very specific bits so that mechanics can be tested and verified as viable. Blizzard has had a PTR for as long as I can remember and somehow, that game has maintained at least ten times the subscribers as this one despite the spoiler or two coming out. The paranoia about spoilers is really out of control in this community.

And, you always have the option of like, not going and looking for information before a patch.

It's just not a good enough reason.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

That being said can't see how they sould implement an actual PTS without having massive leaks about the story and dungeons/features way before release.
This is why they will never do a PTS.

A PTS is usually an entirely separate test server where things like story and whatnot have been purposely removed so they aren't spoiled. Mechanics can be tested through placeholder bosses since again, nothing has to "make sense" per se, it just needs to work from a gameplay perspective. Had they play tested Eureka, people could easily point out the boring grind, lack of progression and that NMs should be the highlight. Instead, we got the assumption this is what people wanted.