So, how is Pagos?

[drgnmstr44]

SE isn't going to trash the concept of open instances, and they are going to continue doing different things that you may or may not personally like. Deep dungeons, open instances, and map instances have been introduced previously and altered to fit Stormblood. I don't think they are done making changes to the game. I think they are only getting started.

No one is saying abandon the open instance concept or content. They hot fix NM spawn rates and XP got practically trippled to help get players to 35, yet outright refuse to address the now evident issues with light gains. People don't spawn NMs anymore. Hell I've seen 2 louhi spawns in the last two weeks going there. You need things from the NMs but practically none get spawned. everyone is so focused on getting light that NMs don't matter anymore. Light gains are broken and need a fix. When the vast majority of players in the instance are 35 and farming light, fighting each other over places to get light, it's broken. NMs aren't even worth trying to spawn unless you need their items and you might as well forget about the required Ice for step three because no one is spawning that either. They need to own up to it being broken and make some changes. Its obvious that gains are light are completely random, sporadic, and in dire need of a boost.

[Zsolen]

No one is saying abandon the open instance concept or content. They hot fix NM spawn rates and XP got practically trippled to help get players to 35, yet outright refuse to address the now evident issues with light gains. People don't spawn NMs anymore. Hell I've seen 2 louhi spawns in the last two weeks going there. You need things from the NMs but practically none get spawned. everyone is so focused on getting light that NMs don't matter anymore. Light gains are broken and need a fix. When the vast majority of players in the instance are 35 and farming light, fighting each other over places to get light, it's broken. NMs aren't even worth trying to spawn unless you need their items and you might as well forget about the required Ice for step three because no one is spawning that either. They need to own up to it being broken and make some changes. Its obvious that gains are light are completely random, sporadic, and in dire need of a boost.

That's working as intended.

[NovaBismarck]

No one is saying abandon the open instance concept or content. They hot fix NM spawn rates and XP got practically trippled to help get players to 35, yet outright refuse to address the now evident issues with light gains. People don't spawn NMs anymore. Hell I've seen 2 louhi spawns in the last two weeks going there. You need things from the NMs but practically none get spawned. everyone is so focused on getting light that NMs don't matter anymore. Light gains are broken and need a fix. When the vast majority of players in the instance are 35 and farming light, fighting each other over places to get light, it's broken. NMs aren't even worth trying to spawn unless you need their items and you might as well forget about the required Ice for step three because no one is spawning that either. They need to own up to it being broken and make some changes. Its obvious that gains are light are completely random, sporadic, and in dire need of a boost.

I played XI and this game as well, I'm well acquainted with the grind. Pagos has been a huge, unpleasant timesink post 35. As you said the big issue is two dragon camp spots and not enough real estate to go around. I've been in several dragon parties where other groups come in and overcamp on top of us on purpose. With two parties competing for the same mob, it's a loss of light. As party leader, I politely tell the other group that we have been here the whole time and we won't give up our spot. It does not make a difference. It's annoying and night after night I generally log off the game agitated and ready for the light grind to be over. I'm not even going to attempt farming multiple weapons for my other 70s because of the headache involved, I'll help my FC mates with theirs.

I'm guessing there are a couple of ways to address the issue, though I'm not sure what is best. Placing another dragon in proximity to a couple of the single dragons might be one way to tackle the problem. Make no mistake, overcamp is a problem though. If it's working as intended, it is not efficient and needs to be called out as such. And yes, there are other things to farm, say chimera for example. Probably the second best option (unless someone knows something I don't). However, instead of a little over 30 min farming x amount of light, you'd farm 50 min for the same. It's not ideal. As you say, maybe upping the amount of light on the other mobs would boost the issue as well. But for now, dragons are really the only viable legal option for maximum light.

[Ramesses]

I played XI and this game as well, I'm well acquainted with the grind. Pagos has been a huge, unpleasant timesink post 35. As you said the big issue is two dragon camp spots and not enough real estate to go around. I've been in several dragon parties where other groups come in and overcamp on top of us on purpose. With two parties competing for the same mob, it's a loss of light. As party leader, I politely tell the other group that we have been here the whole time and we won't give up our spot. It does not make a difference. It's annoying and night after night I generally log off the game agitated and ready for the light grind to be over. I'm not even going to attempt farming multiple weapons for my other 70s because of the headache involved, I'll help my FC mates with theirs.

I'm guessing there are a couple of ways to address the issue, though I'm not sure what is best. Placing another dragon in proximity to a couple of the single dragons might be one way to tackle the problem. Make no mistake, overcamp is a problem though. If it's working as intended, it is not efficient and needs to be called out as such. And yes, there are other things to farm, say chimera for example. Probably the second best option (unless someone knows something I don't). However, instead of a little over 30 min farming x amount of light, you'd farm 50 min for the same. It's not ideal. As you say, maybe upping the amount of light on the other mobs would boost the issue as well. But for now, dragons are really the only viable legal option for maximum light.

Thanks Nova, this summarizes one of my many frustrated stances towards Pagos quite well. I really wanted to like Pagos, I really did... however, the chain reactions (excuse the "pun"), the stupid bunny chase crap, the irregular NM spawns, the competitive nature generated from camp locations are just... *(rubs temples)*

[Liam_Harper]

SE isn't going to trash the concept of open instances, and they are going to continue doing different things that you may or may not personally like.

That's perfectly fine. They can make content however they like and if they don't want players like myself who dislike endless mob grinding without speaking or being allowed to help friends, then there are other products on the market aimed towards me. If there is a target audience for Pagos and Anemos, that's great, nice there's a game for you and hope you guys have fun. I have 11 days left on my sub, just leaving my feedback before that runs out.

[Claviusnex]

Pagos was way better than Anemos, and it is still better now There are still plenty of people doing Pagos. It's the train that isn't sustainable, because it does not help with light.

SE isn't going to trash the concept of open instances, and they are going to continue doing different things that you may or may not personally like. Deep dungeons, open instances, and map instances have been introduced previously and altered to fit Stormblood. I don't think they are done making changes to the game. I think they are only getting started.

Even without consideration of the way SE has designed the content open instances are badly broken. As long as they have an object culling algorithm that removes a players current target, allows for invisible AoE's and removes players in your party while standing next to you they will never work. If SE really wants to continue on this path then they have to invest in the game platform to support large numbers of players concentrated in a single area or increase their instance servers and decrease the number of players per instance. It isn't like this is a new problem yet SE continues to do the failing thing over and over. Reminds me of that saying about insanity.

[TheGrimace]

You can make an open content area and have it not suck. Hell, that's what I miss most from 1.0- running around places like Shposhae to find NMs or things on my own. ARR has been missing content like that, so I welcome the idea. Their implementations through Diadem and Eureka suck though. You can say things like, "it's working as intended," but that doesn't mean they had good intentions to start with. Maybe the big issue is they're not properly conveying what their intentions are? Because otherwise, they're just making massively disappointing content on purpose.

[Adventica6]

skipped this content entirely, I know when something isn't worth my time or money. (fighting over spots, toxic behavior etc)

[Mesarthim]

I haven't really played all week. I did the challenge log and aside from logging in briefly to check on my Squadron's weekly mission, do weekly crafter turn-ins, etc I haven't logged on all week apart from it.

I'm a relic kind of person and I just can't stay engaged with pagos.

[Aster_E]

Getting a group that not only sticks together for more than ten minutes, AND getting one of the two decent spots for the sleeping dragons, is such a pain in the ass. Trying out other mobs is only nice if your luck is really, really good so rng hands you plenty of light ticks; otherwise you, like so many other people, will find the suffusions to be less than half as often as the dragons. And this situation is only bound to get worse as more and more people hit level 35. Never mind the fact that it becomes less than feasible if two groups try to share one spot because the amount of light per increase is brought down to a hair's width, if that.

Meanwhile, we know of no internal hints or indicators as to anything that is legitimately better (read: reliable source of stronger light) than what we have now.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of us bothering with Pagos are likely just trying to get it done so we don't have to come back to it. Some of us even have multiple relic weapons that we need since we may or may not skip out on savage raid content.

The experience right now is rather grotesque. It's not the only problem Pagos has, by far, but it puts a big, bright spotlight on all that was wrong with Eureka's design as it's turned up to XI. Instead of an apology, what have we gotten so far? Yoshi telling us to learn how to play as our predecessors did. Yeah, thanks. That's a thoughtful response.

Argh...