Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[JohnSeal]

Omg you ppl are unbelievable! You take a sentence and use it against others...

I never said I want to create my own rotations and also said that if you can’t have a good DPS YOU DON’T JOIN!!

Following someone theory, only player that spend hours to create rotations are 1st class player and nobody else. All other are just following.

Still there is no difference AT ALL if someone deal 5 or 6k for the outcome of the party !! For BIS the same concept guys, with BIS you can reach 100% but if you don’t but are competent you can still deal a huge DPS abs carry your team, the player matter more than the gear!!

My point is how greedibg for a better log make ppl being selfish and damage other in the group, if you don’t care about logs but okay fir fun and achievements you don’t want other to ruin your fun or setting you back for their personal gain.

[Ultima]

Omg you ppl are unbelievable! You take a sentence and use it against others...

I never said I want to create my own rotations and also said that if you can’t have a good DPS YOU DON’T JOIN!!

Following someone theory, only player that spend hours to create rotations are 1st class player and nobody else. All other are just following.

Still there is no difference AT ALL if someone deal 5 or 6k for the outcome of the party !! For BIS the same concept guys, with BIS you can reach 100% but if you don’t but are competent you can still deal a huge DPS abs carry your team, the player matter more than the gear!!

My point is how greedibg for a better log make ppl being selfish and damage other in the group, if you don’t care about logs but okay fir fun and achievements you don’t want other to ruin your fun or setting you back for their personal gain.

Woah there! Are you saying that 5k and 6k are the same thing? Who taught you math, Common Core? Wew! The guy with the biggest numbers is the guy who is still alive, doing mechanics, and incredibly well-geared. The guy who meets this criteria can carry an inferior (in one of those categories) player. Thus... BiS.

[HyoMinPark]

I never said I want to create my own rotations

You may not have said specifically that you wanted to, but you did say:

The concept of Logs and BIS bother me and it took from me all the fun from playing DPS, What you top dps do? just blindly follow SOMEONE ELSE ROTATION and do pew pew pew! wow what an achievement do like puppets what other told you to do.
FYI elitist player don't need someone to tell you how to play but the create and optimize their own rotation with their skills.

The bolded sentence carries the insinuation that you think people can just throw together any ol' rotation. That's not the case. Jobs have an optimal rotation, and anything else is sub-optimal.

and also said that if you can’t have a good DPS YOU DON’T JOIN!!

You also said that you only want to do the bare minimum. In Savage, the bare minimum isn't good DPS; it's below average DPS. Average DPS for every job in 360+ is roughly 5,000. If you can't pull that, you aren't performing averagely for content that actually requires above average play. Less than 3,000 DPS on BRD is NOT GOOD DPS. Less than 3,000 DPS on a SMN is NOT GOOD DPS. That is way below average for both jobs.

Following someone theory, only player that spend hours to create rotations are 1st class player and nobody else. All other are just following.

Because the rotations the theorycrafters come up with are THE OPTIMAL ROTATION. THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION. Or, if there is, there is only a slight variation. A good example is Miyuri's BRD opener versus the one cited in Aileena's massive BRD guide - Aileena swaps the placement of Empyreal Arrow and Battle Voice, and opts for only 4 Heavy Shots during the Refulgent Arrow fishing window instead of 5. Both openers are still really good, and both are optimal. An opener that deviates from either of those is generally not optimal.

Why would you not do a standard opener - one that has been carefully designed to be as optimal as possible - for a sub-optimal one? People can be "1st class players" and not be the number-crunchers. For you to think otherwise is silly.

Still there is no difference AT ALL if someone deal 5 or 6k for the outcome of the party !!

Except there is - higher DPS from everyone in the party means a shorter/faster kill time, which higher DPS on average and better logs for everyone. Plus, if someone is dealing average or above average damage, the rest of the party isn't having to pick up the slack of a sub-optimal player. It's a win-win. The flip-side is someone performing sub-optimally, and the rest of the party has to make up the difference or carry said sub-optimal player to victory. Which, in that case, the sub-optimal player just mooched off of the better players. How is that fair to the better players? Do you think players would be able to clear V5S or any of the current-tier Savage if they were performing at 3k or less?


If you're concerned with people misunderstanding you, try typing more clearly.

[Hakuro89]

Omg you ppl are unbelievable! You take a sentence and use it against others...

blah blah bloo blub

Lemme shoot some holes in your boat.
First and foremost, not a single word out of you in this entire thread wasn't purely theoretical. You've no actual examples for anything. You're trying to slay a dragon that doesn't exist with a pretend sword.
You're looking at the worst possible scenarios that could potentially occur with a parser in play. Nobody's going to harass you or "treat you like shit" for not pulling purple/orange numbers. Nobody randomly harasses anyone like that, mostly because if they're smart enough to reach that kind of skill level to talk down FROM those shiny numbers, they'd know better than to cross that line every parse user should know not to cross.

At the end of the day, nobody's going to "discriminate against you" for doing 5k DPS or 6k DPS (though the latter will have them respecting you more, BECAUSE you went that extra mile). I'm not going to care enough to insult you for having low DPS, but at the same time, I, like everyone else, reserve the right to opt not to bring you into my weekly clear group if you're going to drastically underperform, hold the group back, not care enough to try, and generally be a liability in both attitude and aptitude.

[JohnSeal]

Ms HYO again and others you change the meaning of what I say!

I would never say that I want to do the bare minimum I said that there a minimum DPS required set by THE GAME. If you match it then you are free to join a group, if you can exceed it good for you, still as I said I got bored of DPSing lately so It’s not really my case...

I meant that between deal 5500,5800 or 6000k there is not a great difference and WEEKLY CLEARVARE NOT THE PLACE TO PUSH OVER YOUR LIMITS. People who want to push and think about their own parse can do it with LOGS RUN groups. Normal ppl want to have fun with nice ppl and Team players, getting new gear in weekly clears.

Underperforming is bad of course but still you ppl are CHANGING TOPIC!! We talk about discrimination of toxic players againist others with thei attitude mate

[Ultima]

Ms HYO again and others you change the meaning of what I say!

I would never say that I want to do the bare minimum I said that there a minimum DPS required set by THE GAME. If you match it then you are free to join a group, if you can exceed it good for you, still as I said I got bored of DPSing lately so It’s not really my case...

I meant that between deal 5500,5800 or 6000k there is not a great difference and WEEKLY CLEARVARE NOT THE PLACE TO PUSH OVER YOUR LIMITS. People who want to push and think about their own parse can do it with LOGS RUN groups. Normal ppl want to have fun with nice ppl and Team players, getting new gear in weekly clears.

Underperforming is bad of course but still you ppl are CHANGING TOPIC!! We talk about discrimination of toxic players againist others with thei attitude mate

The game didn't set anything and the game isn't grouping with you, the players set the minimum DPS.


Also, if 4 dps are doing 5.5k instead of 6k that means you've lost a potential 2k DPS. That's a lotta damage!

There is no such thing as toxic players discriminating against others, but if you want to start it - you're the first one I've met who is discriminating against others with their attitude.

[HyoMinPark]

Ms HYO again and others you change the meaning of what I say!

I would never say that I want to do the bare minimum I said that there a minimum DPS required set by THE GAME. If you match it then you are free to join a group, if you can exceed it good for you, still as I said I got bored of DPSing lately so It’s not really my case...

The average DPS for a 360+ DPS is, again, roughly 5,000. Can you reach that? If yes, then you have reached the requirement for Savage. If no, then you have not. Go practice more, or don't do the content.

Since you like to play healers, most groups are going to want healers with near 100% uptime - Always Be Casting. Be it heals or DPS spells. Don't stand around idle; speaking personally, nothing grinds my gears more than healers who stand around and only press 1 button every 30 seconds. Everyone else is expected to be pressing buttons 100% of the time; healers are no exception. I personally don't see how healers do it, to be honest. I'd be bored out of my mind.

I meant that between deal 5500,5800 or 6000k there is not a great difference and WEEKLY CLEARVARE NOT THE PLACE TO PUSH OVER YOUR LIMITS. People who want to push and think about their own parse can do it with LOGS RUN groups. Normal ppl want to have fun with nice ppl and Team players, getting new gear in weekly clears.

"Normal people" doing their weeklies also don't want to have to deal with sub-3k DPS. I'll just repeat my advice to you earlier in the thread - if you don't want to deal with the box of chocolates that is PF, then make your own parties with people you know. Or make a "bare minimum DPS required" party for Savage, and have all the fun you want in there. But don't join other parties that may be expecting AVERAGE play, and then complain when they boot you for not performing on an AVERAGE level.

[KaivaC]

Underperforming is bad of course but still you ppl are CHANGING TOPIC!! We talk about discrimination of toxic players againist others with thei attitude mate

You changed your own topic in your initial post. Or should we all forget how you specifically mentioned NINs not using Shadewalker and tanks forgetting to use their CDs. None of those had anything to do with ...whatever it was you thought you were saying. Nobody is changing the meaning of what you were saying. You aren't really leaving room for interpretation. You are contradicting yourself. You complain about players who want to push themselves into the orange/purple tier, then complain about the typical dumb things that happen in pugs. Who isn't to say that normal people and team players don't want to push themselves either. This little narrative or whatever you're trying to sell us, it is total BS. Maybe if you hadn't started insulting everyone who parses and/or responded to you, your posts might not have been subject to ridicule.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Now...apologies in advance to Moro, I don't mean to butt into your conversation, but Riyah...I'm on ya ass next. Let's see...

What problems? You fail a run 8 minutes in, a run that doesn't have any prerequisites or any real cost to failing. They fail three times, oh well, disband, try again. People get their clears of content within weeks, to the point they are complaining about not having anything to do and logging from the game till the next patch. The people complain about people ranking low on essentially how fast you can clear (DPS rankings.)

I had more consequences from poor play leveling in ffxi at 20 than there are in this game. Its something to keep in mind with how much people compain about things here. It probably took longer to camp o kotes, a level 35 bis gear for mnk and nin, than it takes many savage raiders to complete an entire tier. I mean, we should be thankful a lot more the game is so friendly, and you have a wide skill band that you can still clear things, not endlessly griping about carries and where you parse.

This is not FFXI. I know you miss those glory days - but this isn't FFXI, so quit comparing things from XI to XIV. We get it, you don't like raiders, and you don't like the raiding community. Yet you seem to go out of your way to nag to the raiders about raiders. If you miss FFXI that badly, why are you here? Seems like an awful lot of energy - I don't waste that kind of energy on people I actually hate.

You don't even raid. Why do you care? It's not affecting what you do in-game, like, at all. All these arguments that you keep having with raiders, it feels like a raider did something to you personally and now you're taking it out on the raiding community. All the things you complain about happening...it's a rarity.

[era1Ne]

FYI elitist player don't need someone to tell you how to play but the create and optimize their own rotation with their skills.

Still guy you are outside of topic, the point still is why discriminate ppl if they dont have purple/orange logs on PF? if the damage is SUFFICIENT everybody can play, develop new classes without you judging them!!! if you hit the grey line you dont damage anyone is a matter of fact but toxic ppl do for entires parties!!



Anyway even if many of you don’t agree with me some other ppl do !! if you see online on any forum about ffxiv there are many ppl defining parses and LOGs as CANCERS so I am not alone guys!!

Anyway I asked a question few times but nobody got attributes enough to reply to that: If you have orange logs do you think to be a better player than ppl who don’t? if the answer is yes means you are DISCRIMINATING!
Nobody will reply because you know that by replying: Yes I am better! you would give me automatically right.
Still I think logs can classify DPSs by their results but not healers or tanks lol

And if I said someone got the brain of a cow, I didn’t do names and I won’t so why you feel offended if you are not a cow ?!

You know whats funny? You are doing exactly what you don't like, because you are discriminating good players by calling them toxic, elitist or you try to generalize all of them. Good players (just as any player really) don't have the same attitude.

I meant that between deal 5500,5800 or 6000k there is not a great difference and WEEKLY CLEARVARE NOT THE PLACE TO PUSH OVER YOUR LIMITS. People who want to push and think about their own parse can do it with LOGS RUN groups. Normal ppl want to have fun with nice ppl and Team players, getting new gear in weekly clears.

Underperforming is bad of course but still you ppl are CHANGING TOPIC!! We talk about discrimination of toxic players againist others with thei attitude mate

Since "normal people" want to have fun and getting gear in weeklys, do you think people wanting everyone (including themselves) to perform, "unormal"? Look, i get it. I also don't like people insulting or receiving toxic comments, but that goes both ways. Yesterday for example, we wiped in A5 normal and i asked politely, if i should explain the fight and the first comment was something like "oh yes great leader teach us". Was that necessary of the person from your point of view? The point is discrimination, insults and so on, are used from a small part in the community and you can't generalize them. I have seen just as many mentors or newbies, good players or bad players insulting or discriminating others.

Normal ppl want to have fun with nice ppl and Team players, getting new gear in weekly clears.

Is someone who isn't trying suddenly a team players? Look, the pf is an feature to search for people with the same skill or goal. Nobody can force someone else to play with them. Of course discrimation is always bad. But you are trying to do just that, with comments like "people wo want to push their dps can do it with Log runs". Well who are you to tell someone else to only go into log groups and what is the definition of fun anyway? Some people have fun with crafting, others just want to do content with fc members and others want to perform well, and so on. There are many different players in this game and i prefer to respect everyone

[JohnSeal]

You know whats funny? You are doing exactly what you don't like, because you are discriminating good players by calling them toxic, elitist or you try to generalize all of them. Good players (just as any player really) don't have the same attitude.


Since "normal people" want to have fun and getting gear in weeklys, do you think people wanting everyone (including themselves) to perform, "unormal"? Look, i get it. I also don't like people insulting or receiving toxic comments, but that goes both ways. Yesterday for example, we wiped in A5 normal and i asked politely, if i should explain the fight and the first comment was something like "oh yes great leader teach us". Was that necessary of the person from your point of view? The point is discrimination, insults and so on, are used from a small part in the community and you can't generalize them. I have seen just as many mentors or newbies, good players or bad players insulting or discriminating others.

Is someone who isn't trying suddenly a team players? Look, the pf is an feature to search for people with the same skill or goal. Nobody can force someone else to play with them. Of course discrimation is always bad. But you are trying to do just that, with comments like "people wo want to push their dps can do it with Log runs". Well who are you to tell someone else to only go into log groups and what is the definition of fun anyway? Some people have fun with crafting, others just want to do content with fc members and others want to perform well, and so on. There are many different players in this game and i prefer to respect everyone

In fact you use Pf to look ppl that pursue your same goals, if you want a weekly clear is nothing related to logs at all. If ppl want to do logs And parse should do it exclusively in LOGS RUN! I would never join because I don’t have interest like for example I won’t do crafters anymore because I find it depressing to death lol

Ppl here are saying absurd things like if you don’t have AT LEAST 5k you shouldn’t play because is bad performing and that is a horrible thing to say, give me shivers !! Who says that? Who allow you to say who plays and who not?

And I don’t know the situation outside Chaos but Average so the majority of DPS is below 5k (5.something for BLM,SMN,SAM) only few deal more abs 1 in 100 reach over 6k

If someone says: I don’t want to play with you if you don’t deal More than 5k mean you are discriminating and aim to restrict savage content accessibility to others!