Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[KaivaC]

Underperforming is bad of course but still you ppl are CHANGING TOPIC!! We talk about discrimination of toxic players againist others with thei attitude mate

You changed your own topic in your initial post. Or should we all forget how you specifically mentioned NINs not using Shadewalker and tanks forgetting to use their CDs. None of those had anything to do with ...whatever it was you thought you were saying. Nobody is changing the meaning of what you were saying. You aren't really leaving room for interpretation. You are contradicting yourself. You complain about players who want to push themselves into the orange/purple tier, then complain about the typical dumb things that happen in pugs. Who isn't to say that normal people and team players don't want to push themselves either. This little narrative or whatever you're trying to sell us, it is total BS. Maybe if you hadn't started insulting everyone who parses and/or responded to you, your posts might not have been subject to ridicule.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Now...apologies in advance to Moro, I don't mean to butt into your conversation, but Riyah...I'm on ya ass next. Let's see...

What problems? You fail a run 8 minutes in, a run that doesn't have any prerequisites or any real cost to failing. They fail three times, oh well, disband, try again. People get their clears of content within weeks, to the point they are complaining about not having anything to do and logging from the game till the next patch. The people complain about people ranking low on essentially how fast you can clear (DPS rankings.)

I had more consequences from poor play leveling in ffxi at 20 than there are in this game. Its something to keep in mind with how much people compain about things here. It probably took longer to camp o kotes, a level 35 bis gear for mnk and nin, than it takes many savage raiders to complete an entire tier. I mean, we should be thankful a lot more the game is so friendly, and you have a wide skill band that you can still clear things, not endlessly griping about carries and where you parse.

This is not FFXI. I know you miss those glory days - but this isn't FFXI, so quit comparing things from XI to XIV. We get it, you don't like raiders, and you don't like the raiding community. Yet you seem to go out of your way to nag to the raiders about raiders. If you miss FFXI that badly, why are you here? Seems like an awful lot of energy - I don't waste that kind of energy on people I actually hate.

You don't even raid. Why do you care? It's not affecting what you do in-game, like, at all. All these arguments that you keep having with raiders, it feels like a raider did something to you personally and now you're taking it out on the raiding community. All the things you complain about happening...it's a rarity.

[JohnSeal]

Aaaah so tired to repeat the same concept... I already clarified that to play savage REQUIRES SKILLS and COMPETENCE! If you deal only 3K DPS are damaging your team ok, but DPS checks are not so strict!!

So, actually someone of you is saying that if you can’t deal over 5K you can’t play?? That is you don’t reach 6K you suck?? OMG you guys are out of your mind and that is pure discrimination...

You can’t pretend all the ffxiv player reach that level or only few player will play...

You can’t cheat easly O5S-O8s with 4 DPSs dealing an AVERAGE of 5k... average mean 1 may deal 4.5 and someone else 5.5 K doesn’t matter is a teamwork!! Always doing my weekly with nobody dealing crazy damages

[Ultima]

Aaaah so tired to repeat the same concept... I already clarified that to play savage REQUIRES SKILLS and COMPETENCE! If you deal only 3K DPS are damaging your team ok, but DPS checks are not so strict!!

So, actually someone of you is saying that if you can’t deal over 5K you can’t play?? That is you don’t reach 6K you suck?? OMG you guys are out of your mind and that is pure discrimination...

You can’t pretend all the ffxiv player reach that level or only few player will play...

You can’t cheat easly O5S-O8s with 4 DPSs dealing an AVERAGE of 5k... average mean 1 may deal 4.5 and someone else 5.5 K doesn’t matter is a teamwork!! Always doing my weekly with nobody dealing crazy damages

Mad because bad.

All XIV players will reach that level or they can play the other 99% of the game that can be done with one hand in your pants called EXR and Normal Raids.

A team is like a chain and a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Maybe your weeklies just have bad DPS then? Or maybe... you're the bad DPS?

Good DPS can cheese Phantom Train by having one player go in and kill the ghost, giving way more uptime after the train car segment, this results in a faster clear. Not that you would know.

[era1Ne]

FYI elitist player don't need someone to tell you how to play but the create and optimize their own rotation with their skills.

Still guy you are outside of topic, the point still is why discriminate ppl if they dont have purple/orange logs on PF? if the damage is SUFFICIENT everybody can play, develop new classes without you judging them!!! if you hit the grey line you dont damage anyone is a matter of fact but toxic ppl do for entires parties!!



Anyway even if many of you don’t agree with me some other ppl do !! if you see online on any forum about ffxiv there are many ppl defining parses and LOGs as CANCERS so I am not alone guys!!

Anyway I asked a question few times but nobody got attributes enough to reply to that: If you have orange logs do you think to be a better player than ppl who don’t? if the answer is yes means you are DISCRIMINATING!
Nobody will reply because you know that by replying: Yes I am better! you would give me automatically right.
Still I think logs can classify DPSs by their results but not healers or tanks lol

And if I said someone got the brain of a cow, I didn’t do names and I won’t so why you feel offended if you are not a cow ?!

You know whats funny? You are doing exactly what you don't like, because you are discriminating good players by calling them toxic, elitist or you try to generalize all of them. Good players (just as any player really) don't have the same attitude.

I meant that between deal 5500,5800 or 6000k there is not a great difference and WEEKLY CLEARVARE NOT THE PLACE TO PUSH OVER YOUR LIMITS. People who want to push and think about their own parse can do it with LOGS RUN groups. Normal ppl want to have fun with nice ppl and Team players, getting new gear in weekly clears.

Underperforming is bad of course but still you ppl are CHANGING TOPIC!! We talk about discrimination of toxic players againist others with thei attitude mate

Since "normal people" want to have fun and getting gear in weeklys, do you think people wanting everyone (including themselves) to perform, "unormal"? Look, i get it. I also don't like people insulting or receiving toxic comments, but that goes both ways. Yesterday for example, we wiped in A5 normal and i asked politely, if i should explain the fight and the first comment was something like "oh yes great leader teach us". Was that necessary of the person from your point of view? The point is discrimination, insults and so on, are used from a small part in the community and you can't generalize them. I have seen just as many mentors or newbies, good players or bad players insulting or discriminating others.

Normal ppl want to have fun with nice ppl and Team players, getting new gear in weekly clears.

Is someone who isn't trying suddenly a team players? Look, the pf is an feature to search for people with the same skill or goal. Nobody can force someone else to play with them. Of course discrimation is always bad. But you are trying to do just that, with comments like "people wo want to push their dps can do it with Log runs". Well who are you to tell someone else to only go into log groups and what is the definition of fun anyway? Some people have fun with crafting, others just want to do content with fc members and others want to perform well, and so on. There are many different players in this game and i prefer to respect everyone

[JohnSeal]

You know whats funny? You are doing exactly what you don't like, because you are discriminating good players by calling them toxic, elitist or you try to generalize all of them. Good players (just as any player really) don't have the same attitude.


Since "normal people" want to have fun and getting gear in weeklys, do you think people wanting everyone (including themselves) to perform, "unormal"? Look, i get it. I also don't like people insulting or receiving toxic comments, but that goes both ways. Yesterday for example, we wiped in A5 normal and i asked politely, if i should explain the fight and the first comment was something like "oh yes great leader teach us". Was that necessary of the person from your point of view? The point is discrimination, insults and so on, are used from a small part in the community and you can't generalize them. I have seen just as many mentors or newbies, good players or bad players insulting or discriminating others.

Is someone who isn't trying suddenly a team players? Look, the pf is an feature to search for people with the same skill or goal. Nobody can force someone else to play with them. Of course discrimation is always bad. But you are trying to do just that, with comments like "people wo want to push their dps can do it with Log runs". Well who are you to tell someone else to only go into log groups and what is the definition of fun anyway? Some people have fun with crafting, others just want to do content with fc members and others want to perform well, and so on. There are many different players in this game and i prefer to respect everyone

In fact you use Pf to look ppl that pursue your same goals, if you want a weekly clear is nothing related to logs at all. If ppl want to do logs And parse should do it exclusively in LOGS RUN! I would never join because I don’t have interest like for example I won’t do crafters anymore because I find it depressing to death lol

Ppl here are saying absurd things like if you don’t have AT LEAST 5k you shouldn’t play because is bad performing and that is a horrible thing to say, give me shivers !! Who says that? Who allow you to say who plays and who not?

And I don’t know the situation outside Chaos but Average so the majority of DPS is below 5k (5.something for BLM,SMN,SAM) only few deal more abs 1 in 100 reach over 6k

If someone says: I don’t want to play with you if you don’t deal More than 5k mean you are discriminating and aim to restrict savage content accessibility to others!

[SaitoHikari]

I just don't understand why people don't want to at least put the same general amount of effort into everything they do, from standard dungeons to raiding. I mean, if you're feeling tired or want to watch something on Netflix, maybe it's not a good idea to queue for anything at all. I suppose my mentality might be a bit different as a DPS player though, because if I sit in a roulette queue for 20 minutes, you can bet my arse that I'll be trying my hardest (though not as far as using food and potions outside of raid) just to show respect for the tanks and healers coming with me. Consider that SE did a census at the start of Stormblood and found that the population of tanks was actually higher than healers, but the general community believes otherwise. Why do you think that is? It would seem that a significant portion of established tanks have a circle of friends for, well, everything.

I mean, if you're legitimately trying your best, then people won't have a problem with that. If someone wants to help by giving advice, let them. But it seems that a lot of times, people for some weird reason take any form of advice as a personal attack, and you get snapped back with things like 'YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB'. This is something I've noticed a lot in this particular community more than any other, and it boggles the mind. There's a reason why that particular phrase is an actual meme in this community.

What you get from the community is what you invest in it. For every stereotypical toxic raider you run into, there's probably many more that just run all over the place without saying a word, and nobody would guess that they were raiders unless someone does a gear inspection out of nowhere. This is even more true when considering how content is designed in this game - without raiding, there's even less to do once everything else is done. Though I will typically raise my voice if I see someone getting attacked by someone who isn't blameless either - usually in defense of people actually doing lower DPS. Context is always important to consider.

In fact you use Pf to look ppl that pursue your same goals, if you want a weekly clear is nothing related to logs at all. If ppl want to do logs And parse should do it exclusively in LOGS RUN! I would never join because I don’t have interest like for example I won’t do crafters anymore because I find it depressing to death lol

Ppl here are saying absurd things like if you don’t have AT LEAST 5k you shouldn’t play because is bad performing and that is a horrible thing to say, give me shivers !! Who says that? Who allow you to say who plays and who not?

And I don’t know the situation outside Chaos but Average so the majority of DPS is below 5k (5.something for BLM,SMN,SAM) only few deal more abs 1 in 100 reach over 6k

If someone says: I don’t want to play with you if you don’t deal More than 5k mean you are discriminating and aim to restrict savage content accessibility to others!

I would like to ask though. Has anyone actually ever said that in your general vicinity? Has anyone actually even said that in this thread?

I've bounced through a lot of raid content in public parties as of late, and not once have I ever seen anything remotely close to what you describe. I feel like a lot of these parser debates mainly consist of building strawmans, otherwise I'd be seeing a lot more screenshots of actual abuse.

[Yeol]

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If you attempt to do Savage during the first few months of release (Meaning everyone is iL350). The dps check will not be easy to meet with underperforming players. The reason you are able to clear your weekly Savage now is because higher item-level is carrying bad players.

4k~5k are numbers that people have been dealing with iL350 gear. So naturally, when seeing someone with higher item-level dealing the same numbers or less, you automatically know that they are bad.

No one is saying bad players should not attempt Savage. That is how I learned to become a better player myself. I realized that my numbers were low for my item-level and asked someone with parse to keep an eye on my dps while I try new rotations, up-time, etc.. I was playing on ps4 back then.

What I personally don't like is that most players who are underperforming have no idea about how bad they are!
You say the purpose of the game is to have fun. Do you think players are having fun when they keep wiping over and over because of a bad player?
If a player does not know how bad they are, how will they get better?
Why would a bad player join content that was meant for people who meet certain requirements?

Also, I don't think people will kick underperforming players if the party is clearing content. BUT if they keep hitting enrage, the bad players will be the first ones to get kicked.

[JohnSeal]

What I find ridiculous? I am a raider that support: team work,respect, a friendly and positive environment for EVERYONE! A community where nobody gets classified, insulted or diminished for the stupid colour of their log. RESULT: I get demonised and put on a stake!! Many ppl are closed minded and don’t understand that everybody has different way to do and objectives!! I DONT CARE ABOUT LOGS AND BIS either so what’s wrong with that? Other ppl may agree with me or not but you are nobody to judge. I listen others opinion but I can’t care less

[Ultima]

What I find ridiculous? I am a raider that support: team work,respect, a friendly and positive environment for EVERYONE! A community where nobody gets classified, insulted or diminished for the stupid colour of their log. RESULT: I get demonised and put on a stake!! Many ppl are closed minded and don’t understand that everybody has different way to do and objectives!! I DONT CARE ABOUT LOGS AND BIS either so what’s wrong with that? Other ppl may agree with me or not but you are nobody to judge. I listen others opinion but I can’t care less

Looks like you have to be a martyr for your beliefs, I thought you were willing to fight for them? So much for that.

You come in here and make broad generalizations, spread lies, talk garbage, and miss the point of playing at a high level and then get mad every time someone informs you how narrow-minded you are. I get it, you don't care about logs because your logs are terrible and your play style is awful. I know why you stopped playing DPS, because back in June - you had a 3k SMN parse and you managed to summon Demi-Bahamut a grand total of two times.

Yes, I am judging you and I will continue to judge you for making this stupid topic that added nothing but amusement to my day.

[Enla]

What I find ridiculous? I am a raider that support: team work,respect, a friendly and positive environment for EVERYONE! A community where nobody gets classified, insulted or diminished for the stupid colour of their log. RESULT: I get demonised and put on a stake!! Many ppl are closed minded and don’t understand that everybody has different way to do and objectives!! I DONT CARE ABOUT LOGS AND BIS either so what’s wrong with that? Other ppl may agree with me or not but you are nobody to judge. I listen others opinion but I can’t care less

Except you're actively fighting people and gaslighting them for not agreeing with you. While reading through this thread as the day went on, you've been the only one whose taken civil, if sternly worded feedback and blown it greatly out of proportion. All because people dared not to agree with you, which makes your claim about supporting everyone and being willing to listen to other people's opinions suspect.