Sexual harassment

[ShadowHunterrX]

It's hard to tell and you can only tell case by case.

As a false accused myself it's hard to fight back once you are in that position. Only thing I did was rejecting her. My only luck was that I had the whole Whatsapp converstation on my phone and the female had a very very edited version posted. I lost alot of friends because her revanche actions. If i didnt have to, i would also deleted everything to shut up people and go on with my life.

It's hard these times to what is truth or not and way to easy grabbing a torch to burn someone.

[Qojon]

After reading an article in PC gamer about sexual harassment in THIS GAME, I began thinking about my own experiences in game. I am a male and play as a male, I pretty much keep to myself despite being a fc leader and yet I too have had characters try pushing sex on me randomly... not flirting, not romance... just explicit sexual interaction.... I was wondering how many other people get harassed sexually in this game... and what can be done to reduce unwanted sexual advances

I feel your pain. As a Lalafell, I'm subjected to all sorts of racial prejudice and mockery, even though Lalafell are the pillars of Eorzean society. I mean just look a the stats I posted here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...GRAPHIC-IMAGES

Also, I've caught cats and lizards on my lawn from time to time. Just turn the hose on them and water your lawn before you go to bed. Very effective.

[QT_Melon]

In regard to this case, do I think his behavior strange? Yes I do, but to a degree also understandable since I am not sure if the person in question sought legal counsel and what advice said counsel gave him. At the moment all we have is conjecture, I just personally think it is strange to come up with a conclusion based off conjecture.

Strange...

So graphically telling someone what you want to do with older women in a sexual manner while working on a volunteer media publication is strange.

Telling someone to leave their SO because they're trash and to start a relationship with him instead is strange.

Getting called a whore or slut, whenever upset is ...strange

Ok, guess should change it to "Strange behavior" and not call a spade a spade.

It's hard to tell and you can only tell case by case.

As a false accused myself it's hard to fight back once you are in that position. Only thing I did was rejecting her. My only luck was that I had the whole Whatsapp converstation on my phone and the female had a very very edited version posted. I lost alot of friends because her revanche actions. If i didnt have to, i would also deleted everything to shut up people and go on with my life.

It's hard these times to what is truth or not and way to easy grabbing a torch to burn someone.

Absolutely agree. Had to help out a friend or two that also had the same position. Most of those cases (the ones I was involved in) were usually one person he said/she said type of situation. One case was a he said/he said. I get people's reservation in judgement, as well. It's something as you can see that can destroy a lot of friendships. Also in the cases I am talking about both sides felt remorse. Usually the worst cases aren't so straight forward either. However, these are usually exceptions and rarer against ones that are true. So again I agree about not being too hasty, but I'm not gonna also pretend that it's just "jealous people" that a lot go unreported because many don't want to rock the boat either.

[Anatha]

My point was simple. Your judgment is impaired at 18 and for some years beyond. I get you like to feel that you've got big boy/girl britches on because the law says you're an adult, but that's nothing more than a false sense of importance.

You don't know crap at 18. Especially in this scenario. The fact that she waffles is exactly to my point.

A kid will wallow in uncertainty because the judgement centers in their brain are not fully formed. No one is an exception. You were not, I was not, no one is, and if you still persist in claiming some special exception from medical science, it calls into question your own judgment and maturity.

I don't know what drives your insistence but this is not specialized knowledge. Humans stay in an immature state far longer than most animals, despite laws and society suggesting otherwise. It's precisely because of those societal pressures and viewpoints that many a predator captures their prey. People are led to believe what isn't true.

[Rogatum]

Strange... So graphically telling someone what you want to do with older women in a sexual manner while working on a volunteer media publication is strange.

Telling someone to leave their SO because they're trash and to start a relationship with him instead is strange.

Getting called a whore or slut, whenever upset is ...strange

Ok, guess should change it to "Strange behavior" and not call a spade a spade.



Absolutely agree. Had to help out a friend or two that also had the same position. Most of those cases (the ones I was involved in) were usually one person he said/she said type of situation. One case was a he said/he said. I get people's reservation in judgement, as well. It's something as you can see that can destroy a lot of friendships. Also in the cases I am talking about both sides felt remorse. Usually the worst cases aren't so straight forward either. However, these are usually exceptions and rarer against ones that are true. So again I agree about not being too hasty, but I'm not gonna also pretend that it's just "jealous people" that a lot go unreported because many don't want to rock the boat either.

If I am not mistaken didn't one or two of the victims make the claim that they would seek legal action. So I will wait until then and let those who are smarter, trained, and have more experience handle this before I pass judgment. When an action can ruin someones life all together I do think waiting for things to play out on either side is the best course. While that information is being reviewed by those that are trained to handle such cases, the person that feels they were a victim of abuse or harassment should also seek professional help to aid with the healing processes. It just makes little sense to me why one one side of the story gets released to the general public and one side is enough to be 100% for the general public that it is fact.

False accusations often burn bridges forever, and no amount of treatment or help will ever been enough to recover from that. Though treatment and help can be often lead to recovery for those who are victim of abuse or harassment. A lot of time until the person has proven their innocence they have hardly anyone on their side. Understand I am saying that the person did nothing or that all the alleged victims are lying, but that is just it at this point at this point everything is alleged.

I am not saying that we should deny a person help because until all the facts are present, they should get all the help they need if they felt they were a abused or harassed in any shape or form, and those claims should be taken seriously, since I am will 100% agree that they personally could have felt abused or harassed. The judgement aspect personally I think should be handled by those that are trained, just like the medical aspect.

Yes, for the Doxxing along with the harassment. Not just because he said "STRAAAAAANGE THINGS"

Are you okay? At this point coupled with the sea lion comment I cannot help but feel you are mocking me.

Are you okay? You didn't actually look up the information, just guessing here? You decided to go with "1 or 2" yet ignore the fact we're talking about not only the dozens of Janes complaining about sexual harassment it's now downplayed to "strange" It can be very well read you are mocking the issue.

All I am saying just as their are professionals that deal with treatment, they have professionals that are meant to handle the appropriate behavior. General public is not equipped with the knowledge or experience to make proper judgments when it comes to these cases.

*sigh* And the circle continues. I'm just gonna say this and I'm out: We Are Not The Law. Square-Enix Is Not The Law. And probably the most important thing of all: THE MEDIA AND SOCIAL MEDIA ARE NOT THE LAW! If you find yourself party to someone's inappropriate behavior DO NOT post it on social media first. GO TO THE AUTHORITIES. It is not our responsibility to persecute or prosecute anyone for their behavior. If there is someone conducting inappropriate behavior then follow the steps in game to report them. If the behavior exists outside of the game, then the person affected needs to contact the proper authorities. To anyone who thinks everyone accused of something needs to be dragged into the Court of Public Opinion to be shamed: y'all need to take a step back and think about if it were you in that situation. None of this should be made public and should be handled behind closed doors between all parties involved. None of this bickering is solving anything. If you want to raise awareness for online harassment then do that by listing things to look out for and the steps to take to avoid them. Even sharing your own stories and how you overcame your adversity can go a long way to helping someone. Instead of arguing like children try to do something productive with this post.

Thank you that is what I have been trying to say but could not.

Sorry met my daily post count:

[QT_Melon]

If I am not mistaken didn't one or two of the victims make the claim that they would seek legal action. .

Yes, for the Doxxing along with the harassment. Not just because he said "STRAAAAAANGE THINGS"

Are you okay? At this point coupled with the sea lion comment I cannot help but feel you are mocking me.

Are you okay? You didn't actually look up the information, just guessing here? You decided to go with "1 or 2" yet ignore the fact we're talking about not only the dozens of Janes complaining about sexual harassment it's now downplayed to "strange" It can be very well read you are mocking the issue.

[Joven]

*sigh* And the circle continues. I'm just gonna say this and I'm out: We Are Not The Law. Square-Enix Is Not The Law. And probably the most important thing of all: THE MEDIA AND SOCIAL MEDIA ARE NOT THE LAW! If you find yourself party to someone's inappropriate behavior DO NOT post it on social media first. GO TO THE AUTHORITIES. It is not our responsibility to persecute or prosecute anyone for their behavior. If there is someone conducting inappropriate behavior then follow the steps in game to report them. If the behavior exists outside of the game, then the person affected needs to contact the proper authorities. To anyone who thinks everyone accused of something needs to be dragged into the Court of Public Opinion to be shamed: y'all need to take a step back and think about if it were you in that situation. None of this should be made public and should be handled behind closed doors between all parties involved. None of this bickering is solving anything. If you want to raise awareness for online harassment then do that by listing things to look out for and the steps to take to avoid them. Even sharing your own stories and how you overcame your adversity can go a long way to helping someone. Instead of arguing like children try to do something productive with this post.

[QT_Melon]

I like the shifting of goal posts here. We aren't talking whether or not if laws are broken should you go to the authorities. This is completely about someone's behavior affecting the community as a warning to avoid it, in regards to the discussion being had about it. Nice try but doesn't work here.

You want to give that general advice, all well and good, but in this particular instance that I'm discussing was about what prompted the topic.

[Joven]

I like the shifting of goal posts here. We aren't talking whether or not if laws are broken should you go to the authorities. This is completely about someone's behavior affecting the community as a warning to avoid it, in regards to the discussion being had about it. Nice try but doesn't work here.

You want to give that general advice, all well and good, but in this particular instance that I'm discussing was about what prompted the topic.

I know I said I was done, but I can't help myself when people refuse to understand. Nothing you say on here will change the outcome of what happened in that article. No amount of discussion on the topic will. The only thing you can do here is try to work towards keeping it from happening again in the future. This isn't trying to "shift the goalpost" as you put it, everything I've said and even some things Rogatum has said is geared towards that end.

[Awha]

44 pages and people are still going at it? Pretty sure everything that could have been said has been said, maybe it is time we let this thread die. The divide amongst those within this thread will not vanish, how we handle situations varies from person-to-person and because of that everyone will have differing views. Only thing we can do is treat others based around how we would wish to be treated.