Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
Ofc you would not mind.
Of course I wouldn't. It would be quite lovely to not be forced into being a Summoner because right now Summoner is all that and a bag of chips.
If rdm would have ninja/dragoon level of dps utility it would become another ninja/dragoon/bard
It has their level of damage. So right now it's ninja/dragoon/bard but without the support. Whereas SMN is more comparable to MNK; high damage with some party damage utility. They also do comparable damage.
Now think about it if you are random dps and wanna recruit party members, do you wanna take summoner that boost your dps 60 - 80 dps or do you take rdm that boost your dps 100 - 120.
Versus right now where you're a random dps where you want to take SMN because BLMs are a gamble of being absolute gods or absolute trash, and RDM from the best to the worst still couldn't keep pace with similarly skilled SMN.
You are like not really big difference, but if rdm would boost your dps like 200 you would be like, wow my parse will look bad if I dont play with rdm.
Actually no, I don't think that's a small difference at all. Your numbers went from 100-120 to 200 though, mind your exaggerations here because 60-80 vs 200 is a big leap compared to 60-80 vs 100-120. 40 extra damage per party member, using your conservative estimates, would be 280 party dps increase; that's almost an entire hypercharge RDM would have over SMN. So yeah, being able to buff the party would be a nice new place for RDM to sit.
Thats why I think boosting utility for rdm is really bad choice.
So what would you have us do or suggest?
Any DPS gains we ask for is encroaching on BLM territory. Any time RDM asks for DPS buffs we're met with "But you're the SUPPORT caster, not the damage caster."
When we suggest support buffs we're met with posts like this.
And no, "prog caster" is not something that I can stomach. It just means RDMs are forced to swap to BLM/SMN after prog, and BLM/SMN are forced to play RDM for prog, and that's not fair for anybody involved at all.
Majority of mch/bard not wanna play without dragoon because their dps numbers looks bad without it, even it not really affect their raid dps performance. Players are too much centered around fflogs.
It's human nature to see a leaderboard and say "Hey, I want to hit the top of that." Challenge is something a lot of people thrive on.

Remember that right now RDM is weaker than SMN by a very VERY large margin. In fact, in a few fights BLM is weaker than SMN. BLM and RDM need to be competitive with SMN, and that has to happen through buffs to the former two because right now the latter is strong enough to break into the meta. With respect to RDM specifically, its damage is down near Bard's and Ninja's, without the same level of support that they bring.

So I suppose the question comes back around: if they do the damage of a Ninja and Bard, why shouldn't they have the same level of support they bring?