So about Summoner...

[DaulBan]

Saying that you’re upset you have to play another caster instead of the one you want to play is a game you’ve intentionally set up to be in your favour, because nowhere here do you talk about how unfair it is that MNK and MCH (or the rest of the DPS) are so good, and they’re the other shoe-ins for the fourth DPS slot. Really if you’re going to complain about SMN you should be complaining about the others, and if you’re not you’re just engaging in the circle jerk political drama of whether or not it’s fair that a job is better than yours.

MCH and MNK are arguably better than either RDM or BLM in the fourth raid slot so you should be harping about how good those are too right? I mean it’s only fair. Restricting the conversation to ‘just casters’ is a convenient red herring to pretend that SMN itself is the source of your strife as some other caster, when in fact it’s how bad your current job is. Full stop.

If you sincerely cannot stomach the fact that you aren’t playing the best possible job then you should be clamoring for buffs to your job, not nerfs to SMN. It doesn’t make casters any better than the jobs they’re competing with, it still makes it so that the other jobs I listed are better and you should play them instead. Not that that’s what this topic is about since it’s focusing on one job, not literally every job that isn’t RDM/SAM/BLM.

SMN is better than BLM or RDM. But then again so are most other jobs in the game, and unless you're calling for a blanket nerf to every other job too to me this seems vindictive and silly.

[Zerathor]

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I think its a lot closer for those 2 than smn. most of the time you want 2 ranged 2 melee anyway (outside of a couple fights it doesn't matter), meaning monk has to compete against the gods of nin+drg for their slot, and not often ranged. 2 range slots, everybody will always 100% want a bard for one of them because why wouldn't you. so its down to blm/smn/rdm/mch for the final competition of 2nd range spot. I honestly feel like equal higher play mch and blm are close enough to ignore differences, especially if a monk ended up replacing the drg and theres no disembowel.

I think if any job wanted to argue against how good monk is, it'd be sam.