New Racers for Final Fantasy XIV

[MeowMeow]

One thing people seem quick to forget is that FFXIV races are not the same as FFXI. They are modeled to look very similar, yes, but they are not the same in any other means. They all have their own, unique lore.

Thus, if they decided they wanted to add bunny girls they will NOT be Viera. They will be bunny girls of a different name, different lore, different aptitudes, and probably (hopefully) even have a modified appearance to look cuter. Miqo'te don't look like Mithra. They don't have the hairy necks, they DO have fur on their tails and whole ears instead of just the tips, and their noses are not dark brown like mithras are. Roegadyns don't have tails. Elezen can be grey... Ok, Elezen kinda got the shaft. Human races are always pretty much... Human. Not a lot unique you can do with them, because their specialty and strength in most games is the fact that they're NOT unique. It's more of a "strength in numbers" sort of thing.

Your first mistake in complaining about the possibilities of bunny girls in 14 is that you're assuming they will have ANYTHING at ALL to do with Viera. The only similarity would be the fact they have bunny ears, and a fluffy little tail. It's a guaranteed safe bet that they would have their own story. Same for if they wanted to make a Ronso-styled race. It would NOT be a Ronso. It would just look similar to what Ronsos did in 10.

All that aside, I'm hoping for fox people or demi-humans. Half voidsent, with demon horns and tails would be awesome

[Kiote]

I dont think any of the Ivalice races should be used, that's an entirely separate world I do not want to see abused for "fan service"

They also don't need to redesign the current races, they have a good amount of FFXI feel with enough freshness that its still new.

This post, my opinions etc etc.

This is not the same world as FFXI. Prior to XI it was very rare that any character was not Human. off the top of my head I can think of Mog Yeti Kimari Vivi and The wierd Chef Guy/Girl.

Being a new world I think it's a good idea to expand upon the races. Using the Vierra would be a nice starting point seeing as they are very popular. I just hope SE keep it Highly Humanoid. Miqo'te is about as far toward Animal-like I want to see. I'd rather the new races be people with animal traits rather than Animals with human traits.

[Kiote]

Same for if they wanted to make a Ronso-styled race. It would NOT be a Ronso. It would just look similar to what Ronsos did in 10.

Thanks for depressing me lol. Its a huge shame that Ronso are Cat people. They would have been a great add if not for the Miqo'te already being cat people.. I suppose they could be the like Highlander version of Miqo'te though..

[lackofwords]

My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment. Buck all the excuses, and reasonings as to why Tanaka did it. It remains; the precedent is there.

Your opinion about how it does not break the continuity in other FF games is fine.
What I'm saying in my opinion, just because they can do it, does not mean it is a good idea. And gave reasons for my opinion as to why. As well as several other people replied for both sides.

There's plenty of opinions of both sides, but it is not a rebuttal if you keep reverting to your original opinion.

Here are some thought through opinions from both sides;

• [SIZE="5"]Does not break the continuity in other FF games;[/SIZE]
  
  

  I am about to blow your minds. XIV has rolanberries, a noxious invasive from rolanberry fields. A different world.
  Blown.
  

  My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment.
• [SIZE="5"]Has no design value to reuse these races in a new environment;[/SIZE]
  

  Using races from the Middle Eastern and African inspired Ivalice doesn't make much sense for the Northern Europe and North American inspired Eorzea.
  

  The races for FFXI were crafted with the design of the nations, they were molded to fit the story of the nation and plot. Humes, elvaan, and tarus were races built upon a nation, mithras were mostly migrated over and formed communities within forest-like locations such as Windurst and Khazham, galka lost their homeland and reside with humes. They had culture and history relating in the development of their nation and beliefs. And when yanked out, and slapped into FFXIV they are nothing but another anonymous dude in game.
• [SIZE="5"]FFXIV races are re-branded new races;[/SIZE]
  
  

  FFXIV races are not the same as FFXI. They are modeled to look very similar, yes, but they are not the same in any other means. They all have their own, unique lore.
• [SIZE="5"]Re-branding does not make people forget the previous brand;[/SIZE]
  
  

  Re-branding the race creates mixed feelings for people who have experienced that race in another game in a completely different way and context. A similar feeling you get from "type-casted" actors appearing playing different roles that you are not accustomed to them playing.
• [SIZE="5"]Final Fantasy Branding;[/SIZE]
  
  

  What also makes people have mixed feelings is to stray so far from the 'feel' of the entire series. If you are going to try to return the installation to a stead and true ff series feel, stop trying to be so variably different from everything, even your own brand. This goes for the subject of races, and beyond.
  

  We'll be getting more like this from other Final Fantasy titles to "Feel" like a Final Fantasy game. Just like Moogles and Magitech armor.
  

  They have all these great ideas from past iterations (not just xi their entire catalogue) to create a lush, fun, lorefilled, unique playing environment, but seem to refuse to do so. It leaves fans and on lookers alike stumped, baffled, and screaming 'wtf are you doing???'.
• [SIZE="5"]Ivaliace races not considered as the FF brand as a whole;[/SIZE]
  
  

  Ivalice is a sprawling world through multiple games and even a different game series (Final Fantasy Tactics/XII/TTAdvance/Vagrant Story), how would they explain races from a complete, different and unique world and timeline appearing in FFXIV? Bangaa are generally the "meh" race and merchants, so that would be fairly easy to fit in, but Eorzea isn't Ivalice nor is it anywhere near Ivalice. It's not like them having a Cid in every FF game.
  
  That's why they'd have no place showing up here, because they're all confined perfectly to their respective game's storyline.
  

  The only races that are reused in the main FF games are humans, elves, dwarfs, and the various trope monsters the series is known for.
  
  Being that 14 is a spiritual sequel to 11 and they decided to use races that would help attract the FF11 crowd, it's an understandable exception.
  It also cheapens the original games. Not so much cheapening XIV, but more so XII and the other Ivalice games, it makes them less unique, and that's Ivalice's best feature.
  

  What has been branding FF games, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.
  
  The races of Ivalice, appears only in "Ivalice Universe" based FF games for a reason. They are all residing in the same world, they are part of the elements that creates the cultures and society of the world Ivalice. It is not branding for the entire FF series, it is to hold continuity for the Ivalice Universe.

[Baxter]

Your opinion about how it does not break the continuity in other FF games is fine.

umm, no. You mentioned breaking continuity was reusing elements (races) from different final fantasy games in 14. I merely stated that SE had done it before. You disagree with that?



P.S. Oh yeah the rolanberry thing was a joke. Probably a lame one,(it's an inside one). It does further my point how they steal non-staple "FF" elements and reuse them in other FFs.

What has been branding FF games, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.

leggo.

[Gehena]

LOL i just noticed my typo on the header...

[Gehena]

If you guys know if I can change the name of the thread let me know how lol. I'm not sure where to if I could.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Editing your original post maybe? I know some forums let you that way. :s

[DeadRiser]

Lol at the people saying keep Ivalice races out. Who CARESSSSSSSS... the more unique my character becomes the better.

[OMEGA_HACK]

I agree, I would love to be a Gria male Dragoon (so long as they make males, since TA2 it was another female only race)