New Racers for Final Fantasy XIV

[lackofwords]

My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment. Buck all the excuses, and reasonings as to why Tanaka did it. It remains; the precedent is there.

Your opinion about how it does not break the continuity in other FF games is fine.
What I'm saying in my opinion, just because they can do it, does not mean it is a good idea. And gave reasons for my opinion as to why. As well as several other people replied for both sides.

There's plenty of opinions of both sides, but it is not a rebuttal if you keep reverting to your original opinion.

Here are some thought through opinions from both sides;

• [SIZE="5"]Does not break the continuity in other FF games;[/SIZE]
  
  

  I am about to blow your minds. XIV has rolanberries, a noxious invasive from rolanberry fields. A different world.
  Blown.
  

  My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment.
• [SIZE="5"]Has no design value to reuse these races in a new environment;[/SIZE]
  

  Using races from the Middle Eastern and African inspired Ivalice doesn't make much sense for the Northern Europe and North American inspired Eorzea.
  

  The races for FFXI were crafted with the design of the nations, they were molded to fit the story of the nation and plot. Humes, elvaan, and tarus were races built upon a nation, mithras were mostly migrated over and formed communities within forest-like locations such as Windurst and Khazham, galka lost their homeland and reside with humes. They had culture and history relating in the development of their nation and beliefs. And when yanked out, and slapped into FFXIV they are nothing but another anonymous dude in game.
• [SIZE="5"]FFXIV races are re-branded new races;[/SIZE]
  
  

  FFXIV races are not the same as FFXI. They are modeled to look very similar, yes, but they are not the same in any other means. They all have their own, unique lore.
• [SIZE="5"]Re-branding does not make people forget the previous brand;[/SIZE]
  
  

  Re-branding the race creates mixed feelings for people who have experienced that race in another game in a completely different way and context. A similar feeling you get from "type-casted" actors appearing playing different roles that you are not accustomed to them playing.
• [SIZE="5"]Final Fantasy Branding;[/SIZE]
  
  

  What also makes people have mixed feelings is to stray so far from the 'feel' of the entire series. If you are going to try to return the installation to a stead and true ff series feel, stop trying to be so variably different from everything, even your own brand. This goes for the subject of races, and beyond.
  

  We'll be getting more like this from other Final Fantasy titles to "Feel" like a Final Fantasy game. Just like Moogles and Magitech armor.
  

  They have all these great ideas from past iterations (not just xi their entire catalogue) to create a lush, fun, lorefilled, unique playing environment, but seem to refuse to do so. It leaves fans and on lookers alike stumped, baffled, and screaming 'wtf are you doing???'.
• [SIZE="5"]Ivaliace races not considered as the FF brand as a whole;[/SIZE]
  
  

  Ivalice is a sprawling world through multiple games and even a different game series (Final Fantasy Tactics/XII/TTAdvance/Vagrant Story), how would they explain races from a complete, different and unique world and timeline appearing in FFXIV? Bangaa are generally the "meh" race and merchants, so that would be fairly easy to fit in, but Eorzea isn't Ivalice nor is it anywhere near Ivalice. It's not like them having a Cid in every FF game.
  
  That's why they'd have no place showing up here, because they're all confined perfectly to their respective game's storyline.
  

  The only races that are reused in the main FF games are humans, elves, dwarfs, and the various trope monsters the series is known for.
  
  Being that 14 is a spiritual sequel to 11 and they decided to use races that would help attract the FF11 crowd, it's an understandable exception.
  It also cheapens the original games. Not so much cheapening XIV, but more so XII and the other Ivalice games, it makes them less unique, and that's Ivalice's best feature.
  

  What has been branding FF games, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.
  
  The races of Ivalice, appears only in "Ivalice Universe" based FF games for a reason. They are all residing in the same world, they are part of the elements that creates the cultures and society of the world Ivalice. It is not branding for the entire FF series, it is to hold continuity for the Ivalice Universe.

[Baxter]

Your opinion about how it does not break the continuity in other FF games is fine.

umm, no. You mentioned breaking continuity was reusing elements (races) from different final fantasy games in 14. I merely stated that SE had done it before. You disagree with that?



P.S. Oh yeah the rolanberry thing was a joke. Probably a lame one,(it's an inside one). It does further my point how they steal non-staple "FF" elements and reuse them in other FFs.

What has been branding FF games, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.

leggo.

[lackofwords]

umm, no. You mentioned breaking continuity was reusing elements (races) from different final fantasy games in 14. I merely stated that SE had done it before. You disagree with that?

Well, yes, you started as just merely stating that SE has already done it before. However, then followed up with that it is "okay" because SE has done it before. That is what I'm disagreeing with, your line of reasoning. I'm not disagreeing with the fact they have already used it.

The line of reasoning you gave which only opens up the topic was;
They have done it already, thus it is alright to do it again.
Or to just quote you;

My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment.

My line of reasoning is this;
They have done it already, but it does not mean it is wise to do it again.

Then, it opens up the debate as to why it is okay for them to continue to do so, or not to do so.

[Baxter]

umm, no. You mentioned breaking continuity was reusing elements (races) from different final fantasy games in 14. I merely stated that SE had done it before. You disagree with that?

Well, yes, you started as just merely stating that SE has already done it before. However, then followed up with that it is "okay" because SE has done it before. That is what I'm disagreeing with, your line of reasoning. I'm not disagreeing with the fact they have already used it.

And we are done here. Refuting facts for the sake of your argument doesn't make you right. lol.

[lackofwords]

And we are done here. Refuting facts for the sake of your argument doesn't make you right. lol.

Apparently you're still missing the point. You first stated a fact, which I didn't refute on because it's a fact. However, later on you've started using the fact as a justification for the continuance of it. Such as they did ___ so it is justified they can continue to do ___. That's what I'm arguing over.

Here, lets take it out of context if it helps you understand, since I can't seem to explain this without you getting confused over your own reasoning.

In World War II America conducted the first atomic bombing on Hiroshima, then on Nagaski, and had plans for additional bombings.
Because America had conducted nuclear warfare once before, does that alone justify the use of nuclear warfare on any occasion?

The first bit is a fact,
the second bit is debatable.

If you apply your reasoning to that, then you're basically saying, it's okay to shoot off more nukes because America already did it.

Read your reasoning in your own quote;

My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment.

Re-worded;
"How can ANY race from ANY FF game not belong in FFXIV when they have already used FFXI races."

With that reasoning I can apply it to also,
"How can anyone say FFXI's skill chain system does not belong in FFXIV when they already have FFXI's exp chain system"