Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[KisaiTenshi]

Are you kidding me? Is this about Mabinogi of all things? Parsing definitely did not harm that game. It was the rampant botting and injectors that continually circumvented the security measures that Nexon put in their games. Parsers had nothing to do with that. And in Nexons case, the botting really was a nightmare to contend with because it really was difficult to keep bots out, especially in Maplestory. I know this for a fact because I am a former GM there.

What do you think the FFXIV ACT plugin does? It's only a hair removed from the same tool that caused the Black Robe Incident.

[Fhaerron]

What do you think the FFXIV ACT plugin does? It's only a hair removed from the same tool that caused the Black Robe Incident.

ACT is not a hack though.

I'm not 100% sure of the mods in this game but addons in WoW & RIFT for example utilised the add-on API the game provides. In there lies all information and using a DPS meter addon for example will just display the DPS part of the information.

In FFXIV there is no addon api but ACT checks the combat log, boss health pool, etc and shows you your DPS number?

[KisaiTenshi]

No it is not. Not even close. Anybody who injects anything into ffxiv would likely be caught. ACT primarily reads the data, not write it into ffxiv in any manner where it would provide any benefit whatsoever. Everything regarding ACT is client side only. Those tools came about from bad security measures on Nexons part which affected all their games. Even Combat Arms, which was newly released at the time when I last was a GM there.

Go open the ACT Plugin with dotpeek, look for "FFXIVPointers", and try to tell me that again with a straight face.

ACT is not a hack though.

I'm not 100% sure of the mods in this game but addons in WoW & RIFT for example utilised the add-on API the game provides. In there lies all information and using a DPS meter addon for example will just display the DPS part of the information.

In FFXIV there is no addon api but ACT checks the combat log, boss health pool, etc and shows you your DPS number?

The ACT plugin has direct access to the game's memory, and networking. If SE had an "official API" it wouldn't be hacking would it?

[Fhaerron]

Go open the ACT Plugin with dotpeek, look for "FFXIVPointers", and try to tell me that again with a straight face.




The ACT plugin has direct access to the game's memory, and networking. If SE had an "official API" it wouldn't be hacking would it?

You're better informed then me and I'm using this mod for such a long time!


Ok so it does, but how will ACT 'hack' steal your account when it's client side on my computer? If you're worried about account hacking, based on that 'black robe incident' you mentioned.

[KaivaC]

Go open the ACT Plugin with dotpeek, look for "FFXIVPointers", and try to tell me that again with a straight face.

I would look you in the face and tell you that you are dead wrong - maybe even pat you on the head, because Sarcastic!Kaiva is a thing on discord. What is dotpeek? Another third party tool. The fact that you need another 3rd party tool to affect ACT's behavior is why you are wrong. And again, there's a high chance that once it actually starts affecting the game, security measures are very likely to pick it up and identify it as an unauthorized program. That's a pretty damn good reason why mods and ACT are client-side only. You are not hacking anything, because you are not affecting anything within the game as far as ACT is concerned. You are simply reading the numbers that the game is already giving you, in a much more meaningful manner (reading battle logs really is a pain to read through).

[KisaiTenshi]

That's a pretty damn good reason why mods and ACT are client-side only. You are not hacking anything, because you are not affecting anything within the game as far as ACT is concerned. You are simply reading the numbers that the game is already giving you, in a much more meaningful manner (reading battle logs really is a pain to read through).

The FFXIV ACT plugin, is at it's core, a hacking tool. You may think it's "just reading a combat log" but it's not.

[KaivaC]

The FFXIV ACT plugin, is at it's core, a hacking tool. You may think it's "just reading a combat log" but it's not.

I can't...even....

Wow....

This is not a logical argument. This is what one would call an association fallacy. And you couldn't be more wrong. Posters with far more knowledge about ACT have pointed out that ACT is not a hacking tool. I dunno why you keep insisting it is, because honestly, it does feel like you have no idea what you are talking about at all, but still persist in saying it. And really, the only way to turn it into a legitimate hacking tool is to either hack it yourself to fulfill those functions, or introduce another third party tool in order to affect that.

Also, that other game you mentioned, Wizardry Online, was it? That game was not a good MMO. It was already plagued by problems, a small niche playerbase, and lack of support from Sony did not help it at all. So, like with Mabinogi, it has absolutely nothing to do with any of the claims you've been making the last couple of pages.

[KisaiTenshi]

Posters with far more knowledge about ACT have pointed out that ACT is not a hacking tool. I dunno why you keep insisting it is, because honestly, it does feel like you have no idea what you are talking about at all, but still persist in saying it. And really, the only way to turn it into a legitimate hacking tool is to either hack it yourself to fulfill those functions, or introduce another third party tool in order to affect that.

You just don't want to be wrong, even though you know you are.

There is nothing stopping someone from decompiling the FFXIV ACT plugin. That is the consequence of using .NET assemblies. On the plus side, that also means SE could decompile it as well and make their own countermeasures if it goes too far.

I 100% agree.

If they go after clothing thing, they have to go after others and I know from how many people kept making parser topics and those topics huge just imagine if all of them decided to use it.
just imagine if they did crack down and half of every server were banned that would be destruction of FFXIV some would come back some would quit to not do progress anymore.

And there are players that are so addicted to using third party tools that they are unable to play the game without them, So if SE decided to crack down on them, they are looking at either getting banned, or no longer able to hold their place in whatever competitive edge they were gaining from using the tools in the first place.