Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[Fhaerron]

FFXIV doesn't have any client-ended security tools to defeat, so people seem to justify their modding because the game client doesn't have protection. Where as the tools that enable modding in Mabinogi and Wizardry, were designed to defeat the protection measures, and the result was that the players doing the "QoL" mods in exactly the same fashion people use ACT in FFXIV, let the botters and packet hackers in.

Ok this I understand.



BUT


Why doesn't SE do anything?



Example: world first ultimate all the top statics competing against each other. Each and every one of them was 'hacking' (according to YOUR terms) using the DPS meter. Yoshi P and others of the team were watching the streams every one of those streams had visually DPS meter windows in them.

Yoshi and his team were just smiling and congratulating the worlds first to down it.


Why didn't they ban all those players that were 'hacking' abusing the rules and do as they please?


Why make rules if they don't enforce them.




If people are getting banned by this I'll be the first one to remove the DPS meter, but nobody is so I'm just using this little meter and be quiet about it, it shows my DPS and that's all I care about.

[Rinuko]

I'm kind of impressed at how rude some of people here are just because something they consider petty is an issue to someone else.

I can't be bothered to read all pages since i made my response but i think it's wrong to put everyone who uses client side mods for their own pleasure (aka glams or HQ textrues/hairstyles whatnot) be put in a box cause of a incident.

I think it's double standard since SE allow ACT (as long you don't talk about it) while mods are off limits?

Then the whole argument about "my character" is kind of amusing from the sidelines.

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Double standards. That's why.

[KaivaC]

The FFXIV ACT plugin, is at it's core, a hacking tool. You may think it's "just reading a combat log" but it's not.

I can't...even....

Wow....

This is not a logical argument. This is what one would call an association fallacy. And you couldn't be more wrong. Posters with far more knowledge about ACT have pointed out that ACT is not a hacking tool. I dunno why you keep insisting it is, because honestly, it does feel like you have no idea what you are talking about at all, but still persist in saying it. And really, the only way to turn it into a legitimate hacking tool is to either hack it yourself to fulfill those functions, or introduce another third party tool in order to affect that.

Also, that other game you mentioned, Wizardry Online, was it? That game was not a good MMO. It was already plagued by problems, a small niche playerbase, and lack of support from Sony did not help it at all. So, like with Mabinogi, it has absolutely nothing to do with any of the claims you've been making the last couple of pages.

[Zeonx]

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I 100% agree.

If they go after clothing thing, they have to go after others and I know from how many people kept making parser topics and those topics huge just imagine if all of them decided to use it.
just imagine if they did crack down and half of every server were banned that would be destruction of FFXIV some would come back some would quit to not do progress anymore.

tons of money down drain if you take care of one you have to take care of them all.

Just imagine the chaos.
losing housing.
millions of gil
crafting jobs all gone
cant get back into servers they are full
names lost
if you were leader of FC or LS's gone.

yeah I don't think people would come back.

Lets be more realistic, lets say they did begin banning, it could cause friendships to end, you don't know if friends use stuff and could be long time friends wonder what they would think if they found out this topic was reason they were banned think they would forgive I don't think they would just a thought and my opinion.

I say think before you leap.

[KisaiTenshi]

Posters with far more knowledge about ACT have pointed out that ACT is not a hacking tool. I dunno why you keep insisting it is, because honestly, it does feel like you have no idea what you are talking about at all, but still persist in saying it. And really, the only way to turn it into a legitimate hacking tool is to either hack it yourself to fulfill those functions, or introduce another third party tool in order to affect that.

You just don't want to be wrong, even though you know you are.

There is nothing stopping someone from decompiling the FFXIV ACT plugin. That is the consequence of using .NET assemblies. On the plus side, that also means SE could decompile it as well and make their own countermeasures if it goes too far.

I 100% agree.

If they go after clothing thing, they have to go after others and I know from how many people kept making parser topics and those topics huge just imagine if all of them decided to use it.
just imagine if they did crack down and half of every server were banned that would be destruction of FFXIV some would come back some would quit to not do progress anymore.

And there are players that are so addicted to using third party tools that they are unable to play the game without them, So if SE decided to crack down on them, they are looking at either getting banned, or no longer able to hold their place in whatever competitive edge they were gaining from using the tools in the first place.

[Skeltal-Bons]

There is nothing stopping someone from decompiling the FFXIV ACT plugin. That is the consequence of using .NET assemblies. On the plus side, that also means SE could decompile it as well and make their own countermeasures if it goes too far.

If it's that bad, then why haven't SE done just that?

[Fhaerron]

And there are players that are so addicted to using third party tools that they are unable to play the game without them, So if SE decided to crack down on them, they are looking at either getting banned, or no longer able to hold their place in whatever competitive edge they were gaining from using the tools in the first place.

I have done many runs without ACT on, I also have the game on PS4 and I play perfectly fine on that too. And not me, every other player can.

ACT does not play for us, it just shows a number, a number I like to see to see how I'm doing. The boss will not die any faster because that number being there.

You just don't want to be wrong, even though you know you are.

There is nothing stopping someone from decompiling the FFXIV ACT plugin. That is the consequence of using .NET assemblies. On the plus side, that also means SE could decompile it as well and make their own countermeasures if it goes too far.

You don't need ACT for that.

How many Facebook, Hotmail, Youtube, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars (no addons in this one!), 'insert any online game or online service account here' accounts have been hacked over the years?

If ACT didn't exists there would just as many XIV accounts been hacked as there are now.

[Zeonx]

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I am not disagreeing with you.
I am against parser's only because people use them against others to kick them out of the party or cause problems seen it first hand.

Then again if people are using it right, I don't have a issue but still think the bad ones give the good ones a bad rap.

but the topic was about clothing, which does absolutely nothing it did nothing in FFXI also but if they did crack down as i said they'd have to go after everyone and trust me that's a lot of subs going to go away and players.

and I mean anyone using any add on to this game and I am sure there are a few out there and I am betting half of every server uses something.

I don't cause I don't care.

[Lynart]

lol

Let me ask you guys something: does anyone know what hack or hacking means?

I ask because I'm seeing this word being misused a lot. ACT could be considered a hacking tool but we'd need to know SE's exact stance on it which could be inferred or implied.

[KaivaC]

You just don't want to be wrong, even though you know you are.

There is nothing stopping someone from decompiling the FFXIV ACT plugin. That is the consequence of using .NET assemblies. On the plus side, that also means SE could decompile it as well and make their own countermeasures if it goes too far.

Wrong about what? I'm glad that you seem to be able to read non-existent thoughts in my mind and can tell me what I think. Or maybe you're just defending your terrible points in a horrifically bad manner, grasping at straws that further devalue and invalidate every point that you continue to make. But do tell...what benefit would there be in hacking ACT in order to let it bot, hm? Will it...complete V5S for you? No, because random mechanics will make it extremely difficult to code automated responses. Will it work in Ultimate? No, because quite a few of Nael's mechanics are random. Will the program be able to account for the actions of the other 7 party members? No, it would not. Wouldn't even work in the heavily scripted V3S fight, because safe corners tend to be randomized. Or even Shinryu Ex, where you can't guarantee that the middle tile will be safe.

Let's see if you can answer this: what benefit exactly would there be in hacking ACT? You know, assuming that you can inject something into FFXIV without getting caught in the first place. How would that help anybody at all in a combat scenario, which the primary area that ACT is centered? And if it was this huge hacking issue that threatens to ruin the game, how come the devs, Yoshi-P included, enjoy watching the world first races, and don't come down on those players who are openly using it? Hmm?

Or is your answer going to be some variation of 'strawman, strawman, random thing happening with another MMO, strawman, oh Kaiva you just don't want to be wrong, strawman, etc'?