Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Sigma-Astra]

If Odin had had a mount drop in his trial, I would not have been surprised at all by it being a black/purple reskin of the other ARR ponies. Considering there are no other deviations from such sets save for the “you got them all!” version (Kirin/Firebird).

Honestly, seeing as to how Ixion was handled at the release of Stormblood...? I would definitely not want to see the massive train wreck that would have ensued with Odin's special fate in ARR if they handled the Sleipnir mount in the same fashion from the very beginning instead of adding it to the cash shop or Trial.

Death and DC's everywhere.....and none were done by the Zantetsuken.

However, adding Sleipnir would have greatly given the playerbase more of an incentive to pursue Odin's fate rather than a collective "Oh? Odin's up? Oh you silly Odin, quit chucking all of that wood." *and then everyone just does their own thing*

[HyoMinPark]

Honestly, seeing as to how Ixion was handled at the release of Stormblood...? I would definitely not want to see the massive train wreck that would have ensued with Odin's special fate in ARR if they handled the Sleipnir mount in the same fashion from the very beginning instead of adding it to the cash shop.

Death and DC's everywhere.....and none were done by the Zantetsuken.

However, adding Sleipnir would have greatly given the playerbase more of an incentive to pursue Odin's fate rather than a collective "Oh? Odin's up? Oh you silly Odin, quit chucking all of that wood." *and then everyone just does their own thing*

People were speculating that his trial would have dropped Sleipnir. I was just saying it would have been more likely that it would have dropped a reskin of the other ARR ponies. Of course, his trial only has 1 mode compared to the other ARR primals, which have 2 or 3 (4-man story for Ifrit/Titan/Garuda, story/“hard mode” for Levi/Ramuh/Shiva, and Extreme). Considering that the story/“hard modes” never dropped mounts, it doesn’t really surprise me that Odin’s Trial didn’t have one. Now, if there had been an Odin (Extreme), then yeah, I could probably understand a bit more. Still think it would have probably been a reskin though, rather than the Sleipnir we have now.

[MomomiMomi]

Honestly, seeing as to how Ixion was handled at the release of Stormblood...? I would definitely not want to see the massive train wreck that would have ensued with Odin's special fate in ARR if they handled the Sleipnir mount in the same fashion from the very beginning instead of adding it to the cash shop or Trial.

Death and DC's everywhere.....and none were done by the Zantetsuken.

However, adding Sleipnir would have greatly given the playerbase more of an incentive to pursue Odin's fate rather than a collective "Oh? Odin's up? Oh you silly Odin, quit chucking all of that wood." *and then everyone just does their own thing*

I actually meant drop in his trial, which was added around(or exactly at?) the same time that Sleipnir was added to the cash shop. Or did people already forget it exists because it was dead on arrival?

[AtamBryjndn]

I just want to say... I'm disabled and poor. I can hardly afford my sub each month, let alone this cash grab. I feel it is unfair to us all. The prices are just too high. I could understand 5 dollars... but nearly 20? It seems absurd to me. I am someone who doesn't get to choose if I want to buy them or not. The answer is just no, no matter how bad I want it. I can't afford it. Think about us.

[Melichoir]

Never understood the ire behidn cash shops. As long as it doesnt sell you power (thus becoming p2w), Ive never seen a problem with it. Youre not being 'deprived' content. You bought the content, this is extras.

Consider This:

I am a baker, I bake a pumpkin pie, and I put that pie on sale. Now I also, as a baker, can decorate taht pie with extras should people WANT extras, or I can sell them whipped cream to go wtih the pie if they want it. The pie itself is not half done. Its a fully baked pie, ready to serve, delicious to eat. The stuff you can buy to go on it is purely personal preference, and I offer customers those garnishes for them IF they want it. Im not promising a pie with Garnishes, and then taking the garnishes off and charging. Im charging specifically for a delicious pumpkin pie. If you want toppings, you can choose to add them.

That Model is exactly what SE is currently doing. They have SOLD YOU a complete gaming experience per the xpacs. You get access to exactly the product theyre giving you. Theyre not leaving features out. Theyre selling you additional 'features' on the side SHOULD you want them. There is nothign being 'stolen' from you. Youre not being charged for content that you were guaranteed. If the price point of those extras is to much, then dont buy and campaign other players not to buy as well. If the demand drops hard, they will reduce pricing till demand goes back up. Thats how basic market forces work.

You would have a case of being cheated IF they promised you, as an example, All mounts in the game would be free, but then turned around and said "Heres the special mount thats not available in game! you have to buy it!" That would be cheating you. Because the product you purchased PROMISED that.

Best of my knowledge, theyve never promised anyone that all glamours/mounts can be obtained in game. They promised you lore and content thats game related. Glamours/mounts/bardings are not core to the game. Theyre fun side aspects. And before someone gets cute about the App, thats another argument about whether theyre intentionally holding optional (but potentially big QoL) features for side payments rather than implement them into the game.

[Sigma-Astra]

I actually meant drop in his trial, which was added around(or exactly at?) the same time that Sleipnir was added to the cash shop. Or did people already forget it exists because it was dead on arrival?

People were speculating that his trial would have dropped Sleipnir. I was just saying it would have been more likely that it would have dropped a reskin of the other ARR ponies. Of course, his trial only has 1 mode compared to the other ARR primals, which have 2 or 3 (4-man story for Ifrit/Titan/Garuda, story/“hard mode” for Levi/Ramuh/Shiva, and Extreme). Considering that the story/“hard modes” never dropped mounts, it doesn’t really surprise me that Odin’s Trial didn’t have one. Now, if there had been an Odin (Extreme), then yeah, I could probably understand a bit more. Still think it would have probably been a reskin though, rather than the Sleipnir we have now.

I did mention the trial, at least I added it in since my fingers don't always type what I'm thinking outright. I was trying to be humorous/light-hearted with the special fate commentary seeing as to how it was implemented into Stormblood and the overwhelming issues with it, how plenty of servers had seas of dead people around Ixion. But, I guess the humor flew over people's heads...or just took my comment way too seriously.

Well, the only serious part was the idea that adding the mount to the fate would have given the players more of a reason to pursue him, but the same can be said for the Trial as well then if that were also the case.

[Remedi]

I actually meant drop in his trial, which was added around(or exactly at?) the same time that Sleipnir was added to the cash shop. Or did people already forget it exists because it was dead on arrival?

I don't remember exactly when the mogstation went up, but the mog station was presented at the first fanfest which was slightly before 2.4 dropped if memory serves me right and sleipnir was promoted as the first mount on the shop in that occasion

[HyoMinPark]

I did mention the trial, at least I added it in since my fingers don't always type what I'm thinking outright. I was trying to be humorous/light-hearted with the special fate commentary seeing as to how it was implemented into Stormblood and the overwhelming issues with it, how plenty of servers had seas of dead people around Ixion. But, I guess the humor flew over people's heads...or just took my comment way too seriously.

Or they were just answering pragmatically? /shrug
I only answered because you quoted me. Your post did mention the trial, yes, but it spoke mostly of the FATE. Which is fine; I was just saying that people never really speculated about it being added to the FATE, but to his trial when it was introduced.

Odin’s FATE had similar DC issues when it was first introduced. Ixion’s and Foxy Lady’s DC problems aren’t really new. The servers themselves just cannot handle that many people loading into one instance at the same time (because they’re massively outdated, I think).

Well, the only serious part was the idea that adding the mount to the fate would have given the players more of a reason to pursue him, but the same can be said for the Trial as well then if that were also the case.

I’m not sure about other servers, but people still show up for Odin on mine, and he (and all other large region FATEs) are still called out in my Hunt LS. I’ve even managed to be his killer and have him show up with my character’s name the next time he spawned. Sadly, I wasn’t online at the time to get a screenshot of that epicness.

I also want to add that I believe it has been said by the developers that they do not design content with any sort of longevity in mind—so things like these open-world FATEs (which, really, fix your servers before making something that will prompt hundreds of people to flood to the same area, and cause instability/overload) and even content like Eureka and the PvP modes will all die eventually. Kind of sad, really. They’re designed to be super busy during their relevant lifecycle, and then fade into obscurity (or outright die).

[Wilford111]

About the comments on toxicity and name-calling, I have to apologize. I never meant to insult anyone and I'm sorry for acting so immature.

The whole topic doesn't really matter too much to me anyway. I still see value in my sub money, even without the items from the mogshop. My opinion on the matter hasn't changed but I could have conducted myself a lot better. It's just really easy to get riled up on the forums especially, for some reason.

[Tiraelina]

Yea, but is it really worth getting yourself all stressed out about something so trivial? You're basically getting yourself (and I'm not meaning you, just a general you) angry over what other people do with their disposable income. The question is, are you getting angry over the items in question because you want them yourself and just either can't afford them and other people can? Or, are you getting angry because you don't want anything at all and feel that because there's no value in it for you that they don't need to exist period for anyone?

I don't really 100% agree with the cash shop either, but I have spent money here and there sparingly over the course of 5 years on items. In total I've only bought 4 things: (Starseeker Bow (Missed the event), the Eastern Lady Togi, the Fuma Kimono, and the blue Carby mount). And that's whenever I had the extra funds to do so and that was my business alone, most of them were just little things to brighten my day if I had a bad day at work or just a crappy month in general.

You can't really put a price on other people's happiness and what they find that has meaning or value to them. And I guarantee if you were to walk up to someone and say "Hey! I see that you're going to spend $24 on that mount in the cash shop. Don't do it."....they're probably going to look at you sideways and question why your opinion has any weight on their own wallet.

I don't know, maybe I'm at that point in age where what I do with my wallet is my business and if someone tries to tell me otherwise, well....unless they're going to offer to pay my sub or utility bills for me, then they can have a foot in the door about what I do with the money.

I certainly don't find it trivial. It's really no secret that majority of the games now have their hand out after you buy it, even while paying a sub. I try to branch out into majority of the aspects of a game if I'm going to invest time into it. I grew up playing games that you got what you paid for, the current state of things is really whats driving me in game development.

I don't mind things like expansions, actual expansions, not DLC being passed off as one. I do mind cash shops in games that aren't free that want two cakes for the price of one. They don't even try to price it sensibly, it's like Steam doesn't exist. I refuse to give any extra money to these kind. I know how much these items cost to produce, highway robbery never had a closer home.

It's really not a question of being able to buy things. I've spent over $200 in Warframe alone, I could've traded for majority of that for free. I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar or higher in PlanetSide 2 until the game was no longer enjoyable. They were both also free, that is 100% what they are. I enjoyed Warframe and still do with my friend regularly.

This stuff also doesn't come for free, and I mean that in that it does take something away from the game. Things that could've been a goal to work towards for example. The golden excuse was that the money would go back into the game, that thing that has never happened. You just find business floating ever greater amounts of money and the talking heads spewing more excuses whining its too expensive to improve things. It's not so much about telling other people how to spend their money (unless it involves the bots/RMT, theres a special place for you!) and more telling business to cut this crap out. The enablers ruining a hobby.

I'm against these practices in principal and that's never going to change. You won't find me complaining about things like Fate/GO because they aren't trying to act like they aren't doing what they are. I'm still going to think people that spend thousands on them are insane though. I do find the in-game "bonuses" with physical goods like statues just as bad.