Whats going on with SE ?

[ManuelBravo]

Please save me the Remedi talk, Ive been there with Remedi already MB , oh btw i just realized your named abbreviated could mean marketboard,,,Im sure the app please you, now go back to spending dollars, Im not arguing with you.

I'm trying to give you some credibility by asking of your sources. In any debate it is only logical to have that? I only stated what logically makes sense. If I'm wrong I would like to be proven wrong. As for MB comment was that some type of insult or attempt to insult? It only proofs my point further that many people see it as unfair yet no one has proven any actual fraud, or scam, just personal perspectives that clash with the simple fact that this is a business. Labeling as fraud or rip of is how people without actual fact justify something they don't like or affects them on an emotional level so they try to mislead the conversation. So I will ask again, what is your proof that it is a rip of from a logical perspective? What has SE violated legally?

Note: There is a difference in an argument and debate.

Argument; an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.

Debate ; a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.

I don't think my text can express anger so I would think this is a formal conversation.

Heres your picture. I never spoke about breaking any commercial laws.

Sooo how is this a rip off ? meaning = a fraud or swindle, especially something that is grossly overpriced. See what I mean by commercial law? It's a business practice that consumers feel it's unfair not a rip of.

It's basic membership, how it's run and experience varies based on player communities and participation. Ic an go trough sooo many links and areas to prove a point...however anymore than this would be wasted.

Cut scene; If you even think about it or even kept track of the forums you would have notice that many new players were complaining about speed runs on main story so that was SE answer to their feed back.

Housing Was work in progress, they open up new wards, and even change the rules to obtaining houses. Those who got them was do to their handwork and timing. Storage was given more options and more storage so not sure where your complain is maybe thinking old content and not read up on patch notes?

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3e139e9792abf/

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4942848db9539/

These are just few take some time to at least research things before giving people wrong ideas.

Mounts It makes sense to have some restrictions specially if other person does not have all currents or area does not allow that. hence each person would need their mount.

Dragoon quest line; huh? Seemed fine to me and even did secondary account I don't see that. What quest exactly?

Fishing & collectables: Sig is for SB and you have to be a certain level to get it. If it helps in past areas what is the issue?

Specialist souls for crafters, limited to 3 Well makes sense to keep the market balance and seek help along with player interaction. You can always change it at any point and get new soul stones no restrictions.

Macros,macros They can still be made and depending on your play style and device experience varies.

FC requirement for workshop? Personally I would love this to be a single person, however logically it makes sense that an FC would be more than one person. It can be done and that is why SE implemented new idead for housing as well as restrictions. Now if people won't help or can't get help sounds mole like a personal issue.

Zodiac to Anima glass You do realize you don't have to start all over and glass can be reissued? that is what happens when people don't read carefully or fail to read notes.

Based on your statements you seem to lack a lot of knowledge.

[Ruf]

I'm trying to give you some credibility by asking of your sources. In any debate it is only logical to have that? I only stated what logically makes sense. If I'm wrong I would like to be proven wrong. As for MB comment was that some type of insult or attempt to insult? It only proofs my point further that many people see it as unfair yet no one has proven any actual fraud, or scam, just personal perspectives that clash with the simple fact that this is a business. Labeling as fraud or rip of is how people without actual fact justify something they don't like or affects them on an emotional level so they try to mislead the conversation. So I will ask again, what is your proof that it is a rip of from a logical perspective? What has SE violated legally?

One person perception is different over the other, that is my opinion, se isnt getting anymore money from me for that, if anything ill stick to the base as like i said,

The app is an example of content cut, i shouldnt have to draw you a picture
about it, if i didnt have respect for other players, i'd say ffxiv is the worst ff that was ever made.

saying rip off doesnt necessarilly mean fraud or scam, nothing of that such, if anything im stating that it doesnt belong in the game franchise, it simply shouldnt exist, that it happen or not, I agree to disagree

[Gleipni]

Come on,how can it be acceptable to have to pay for a service in a game that already have a subscription,people in the game since some years already easily spent 200E+ wirthout counting on buying the game itself,and so after spending 200/300E on the game,people dare to say its not enough and that we have to pay more ?

2 good RPG have more content than FF14 itself,and i clearly didnt spent 300E on 2 game.

[ManuelBravo]

One person perception is different over the other, that is my opinion, se isnt getting anymore money from me for that, if anything ill stick to the base as like i said,

saying rip off doesnt necessarilly mean fraud or scam, nothing of that such, if anything im stating that it doesnt belong in the game franchise, it simply shouldnt exist, that it happen or not, I agree to disagree

really? then what does it mean? in what language or dictionary?

[kikix12]

Again, I don't think "storing" data is the issue.

And tell me...why is there so much data transferred?! I will ask you this. The developers specifically said that whenever a player enters an instance, their entire inventory is sent between server and player. Why? I'd like to know why, when I do not use inventory, when I don't even open it, it is sent along with a ton of other (more or less necessary data), instead of doing it only when I DO open it or get a first drop? All that needs to be sent related to inventory is what is on the hotbars, like potions. The game should check whether the potions are really there, but this too is just a precaution there's nothing fishy going on. If you had potions before entering the instance, it is obvious you have them when entering it as well, so technically it could assume you do and just work with the inventory once you do use one of them.

Same with character gears. Why are they loaded?! When you attack, defend, cast spell...What matters is not your gear. It's your stats. Your gear should be loaded visually (on your character)...and that's all. Bits of it should be loaded (and therefore data related to them transferred) when you open your character screen (icons) and then when you hover over it (tooltips). Nothing ever needs to be loaded or otherwise sent between servers/clients until you actually switch that gear. This is so much more glaring when often you will not even have your gears stats due to being synced down.


There is a lot of data sent at once completely unnecessarily. Instead of doing it gradually as client/server demands it, it's packed tightly and sent back and forth "because it can come in useful". Sorry, but I prefer to have even half a second delay in seeing the icons of my inventory the first time I open it in an instance (if I even do that) than spend half a minute on the loading screen instead of few seconds. And have them be able to play with inventory space instead of it being impossible.

Another part is that really, the game could go to 64-bit and start more heavily utilizing RAM. If not that, then at least start using hard-drive to temporarily store frequently used data, and operate on that instead of sending tons of stuff between clients and servers. For example, tooltips for items could be loaded once when you start the game and saved on hard-drive (to remove PING issues, and that's assuming they are not already stored on hard drive) and never need to be transferred again during that session unless modified by adding a materia.

So yes, whether it is the physical storage of data or its transfer, there are ways to make it more efficient and they are doing it in a way that makes further growth more difficult (according to them...impossible).

[Ruf]

And tell me...why is there so much data transferred?! I will ask you this. The developers specifically said that whenever a player enters an instance, their entire inventory is sent between server and player. Why? I'd like to know why, when I do not use inventory, when I don't even open it, it is sent along with a ton of other (more or less necessary data), instead of doing it only when I DO open it or get a first drop? All that needs to be sent related to inventory is what is on the hotbars, like potions. The game should check whether the potions are really there, but this too is just a precaution there's nothing fishy going on. If you had potions before entering the instance, it is obvious you have them when entering it as well, so technically it could assume you do and just work with the inventory once you do use one of them.

Same with character gears. Why are they loaded?! When you attack, defend, cast spell...What matters is not your gear. It's your stats. Your gear should be loaded visually (on your character)...and that's all. Bits of it should be loaded (and therefore data related to them transferred) when you open your character screen (icons) and then when you hover over it (tooltips). Nothing ever needs to be loaded or otherwise sent between servers/clients until you actually switch that gear. This is so much more glaring when often you will not even have your gears stats due to being synced down.


There is a lot of data sent at once completely unnecessarily. Instead of doing it gradually as client/server demands it, it's packed tightly and sent back and forth "because it can come in useful". Sorry, but I prefer to have even half a second delay in seeing the icons of my inventory the first time I open it in an instance (if I even do that) than spend half a minute on the loading screen instead of few seconds. And have them be able to play with inventory space instead of it being impossible.

Another part is that really, the game could go to 64-bit and start more heavily utilizing RAM. If not that, then at least start using hard-drive to temporarily store frequently used data, and operate on that instead of sending tons of stuff between clients and servers. For example, tooltips for items could be loaded once when you start the game and saved on hard-drive (to remove PING issues, and that's assuming they are not already stored on hard drive) and never need to be transferred again during that session unless modified by adding a materia.

So yes, whether it is the physical storage of data or its transfer, there are ways to make it more efficient and they are doing it in a way that makes further growth more difficult (according to them...impossible).

Cheers

[Okamimaru]

The app is an example of content cut, i shouldnt have to draw you a picture
about it, if i didnt have respect for other players, i'd say ffxiv is the worst ff that was ever made.

I'm not sure what respect for others has to do with whether or not you think this is the worst ff ever made but if that's how you truely feel go play 11 or that never ending dlc fest 15... or any of the 13+ other ff games out there and quit this one... seriously if it's soooooo God awful why are you still here? Why haven't you moved on?

[Ruf]

I'm not sure what respect for others has to do with whether or not you think this is the worst ff ever made but if that's how you truely feel go play 11 or that never ending dlc fest 15... or any of the 13+ other ff games out there and quit this one... seriously if it's soooooo God awful why are you still here? Why haven't you moved on?

& once more i repeat it, I do play it (xi) really unsure if i dare trying xv(specially as to this point i doubt consoles as a general statement), maybe in a couple years...& as to why im on xiv:none of your buisness.

Honestly, even if they don't do anything but add more convenience, even if it isn't "p2w" we're still being nickel and dimed on a service we pay for with the expectation that we're getting the full package. It's part of why I don't really bother with modern console games because of the prevalence of DLC and the notion that you can sell someone half a game then make them buy the other half later, intentionally releasing half finished products to double dip on people's wallets. QoL features should never be linked to an outside microtransaction system in a game we buy and pay a subscription for. What other future QoL features will be locked behind a paywall? Where do you draw the line? Because if you don't draw a line limits will be pushed far beyond what you expect or want.

[Okamimaru]

& once more i repeat it, I do play it (xi) really unsure if i dare trying xv(specially as to this point i doubt consoles as a general statement), maybe in a couple years...& as to why im on xiv: i like to complain and argue without having to back anything up.

fixed it for you

[Ruf]

fixed it for you

Oh but i have plenty, I keep quoting ppl & I even quoted myself, the only thing i read from you is, pls blist me. Done~