Whats going on with SE ?

[Ruf]

And tell me...why is there so much data transferred?! I will ask you this. The developers specifically said that whenever a player enters an instance, their entire inventory is sent between server and player. Why? I'd like to know why, when I do not use inventory, when I don't even open it, it is sent along with a ton of other (more or less necessary data), instead of doing it only when I DO open it or get a first drop? All that needs to be sent related to inventory is what is on the hotbars, like potions. The game should check whether the potions are really there, but this too is just a precaution there's nothing fishy going on. If you had potions before entering the instance, it is obvious you have them when entering it as well, so technically it could assume you do and just work with the inventory once you do use one of them.

Same with character gears. Why are they loaded?! When you attack, defend, cast spell...What matters is not your gear. It's your stats. Your gear should be loaded visually (on your character)...and that's all. Bits of it should be loaded (and therefore data related to them transferred) when you open your character screen (icons) and then when you hover over it (tooltips). Nothing ever needs to be loaded or otherwise sent between servers/clients until you actually switch that gear. This is so much more glaring when often you will not even have your gears stats due to being synced down.


There is a lot of data sent at once completely unnecessarily. Instead of doing it gradually as client/server demands it, it's packed tightly and sent back and forth "because it can come in useful". Sorry, but I prefer to have even half a second delay in seeing the icons of my inventory the first time I open it in an instance (if I even do that) than spend half a minute on the loading screen instead of few seconds. And have them be able to play with inventory space instead of it being impossible.

Another part is that really, the game could go to 64-bit and start more heavily utilizing RAM. If not that, then at least start using hard-drive to temporarily store frequently used data, and operate on that instead of sending tons of stuff between clients and servers. For example, tooltips for items could be loaded once when you start the game and saved on hard-drive (to remove PING issues, and that's assuming they are not already stored on hard drive) and never need to be transferred again during that session unless modified by adding a materia.

So yes, whether it is the physical storage of data or its transfer, there are ways to make it more efficient and they are doing it in a way that makes further growth more difficult (according to them...impossible).

Cheers

[ManuelBravo]

And tell me...why is there so much data transferred?! I will ask you this. The developers specifically said that whenever a player enters an instance, their entire inventory is sent between server and player. Why? I'd like to know why, when I do not use inventory, when I don't even open it, it is sent along with a ton of other (more or less necessary data), instead of doing it only when I DO open it or get a first drop? All that needs to be sent related to inventory is what is on the hotbars, like potions. The game should check whether the potions are really there, but this too is just a precaution there's nothing fishy going on. If you had potions before entering the instance, it is obvious you have them when entering it as well, so technically it could assume you do and just work with the inventory once you do use one of them.Same with character gears. Why are they loaded?! When you attack, defend, cast spell...What matters is not your gear. It's your stats. Your gear should be loaded visually (on your character)...and that's all. Bits of it should be loaded (and therefore data related to them transferred) when you open your character screen (icons) and then when you hover over it (tooltips). Nothing ever needs to be loaded or otherwise sent between servers/clients until you actually switch that gear. This is so much more glaring when often you will not even have your gears stats due to being synced down.


There is a lot of data sent at once completely unnecessarily. Instead of doing it gradually as client/server demands it, it's packed tightly and sent back and forth "because it can come in useful". Sorry, but I prefer to have even half a second delay in seeing the icons of my inventory the first time I open it in an instance (if I even do that) than spend half a minute on the loading screen instead of few seconds. And have them be able to play with inventory space instead of it being impossible.

Another part is that really, the game could go to 64-bit and start more heavily utilizing RAM. If not that, then at least start using hard-drive to temporarily store frequently used data, and operate on that instead of sending tons of stuff between clients and servers. For example, tooltips for items could be loaded once when you start the game and saved on hard-drive (to remove PING issues, and that's assuming they are not already stored on hard drive) and never need to be transferred again during that session unless modified by adding a materia.

So yes, whether it is the physical storage of data or its transfer, there are ways to make it more efficient and they are doing it in a way that makes further growth more difficult (according to them...impossible).

There is a lot more behind the scenes that this. Making it sound simple like this you have omitted many things. In simpler forms picture this. Your running multiple programs at once on one hard drive. For the sake of argument lets say player A is running operating system, itunes, discord, a web browser, anit virus, ect and FFXIV all in one HD.. Player B same thing with the exception he is running FFXIV on a separate HD. Which HD will give out first? Now picture this as information being transferred from servers and 1 million players accessing content at the same time, kind of the early release of an expansion. Anyone that has played early access and release dates have experience constant server stability is the worst at this point. Same issues people will complain and while people think they are special or should get priority they miss the point that severs and data is always fluctuating involving various factors. This server congestion can affect stability, not to mention everyone system can be effected differently. You can't expect a PC from 2002 to run the same as one from 2015. A 32bit system vs a 64 bit system, so no data can vary and display issues can vary. Instances were set up to help stability issues.

For loading information temp data storage on a system can also fluctuate based on settings such as anti virus or system maintenance settings. Storing Data is not the issue, it's how it communicates based on various factors.

[Talraen]

And tell me...why is there so much data transferred?!...

I have no idea, I don't work on the game. The fact is, you don't know either. There could be any number of reasons that made sense at the time, that actually still make sense now despite the issues, or that were always stupid. The game might be far better today if they had designed it a different way. But we don't know any of this. What I do know is that when I inherit people's code and have to maintain it, they've often made decisions that seem to be incredibly stupid and harm performance in a variety of ways. Sometimes, it's as simple as that and they can be fixed. Other times, it becomes clear that there was a method behind the madness and I'm stuck with it. Still other times, I "fix" things assuming I know better, and end up having to fix the catastrophic errors I just introduced due to not fully understanding every aspect of the code. I've learned not to do that lightly.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you can't possibly be certain that you're right, yet you're acting like your word is gospel.

[Remedi]

What do you mean by "not playing for many days for them to fix it"? Do you think that in order for them to update backend code that it requires the entire live game to be shutdown for the duration? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Considering what they've done so far, yes I do, however I do share tridus sentiment on this and I think that he knows if I'm wrong since it's not mu field of work, If so I can live with it and my point becomes that SE should really just do it since he's right, the longer they wait the worse it becomes

[Remedi]

Yet when I asked why ppl forgot that housing reclamation was in response to ppl feedback it wasn't answered.
when I asked why the housing reclamtion would be a ploy to make ppl stay subbed if it has no use for a big part of the population because of the lack of housing it was ignored.

Also I dismissed you argument before because it you complained about content cut and you simply said what in your opinion has less quality, which is not cut content

So no you don't answer fully, you don't even found how bad the app was either, ppl said it was p2w when it's actually worse, p2w is a dramatization because that's what to stick more with ppl

[Ruf]

The app is an example of content cut, i shouldnt have to draw you a picture
about it, if i didnt have respect for other players, i'd say ffxiv is the worst ff that was ever made.

[ManuelBravo]

The app is an example of content cut, i shouldnt have to draw you a picture about it, if i didnt have respect for other players, i'd say ffxiv is the worst ff that was ever made.

How exactly is it content cut? What particular area is being cut? The option for an extra retainer? Hmmm I don't think that can be consider content more of an option to assist a player. Market manipulation? hmmmm free version will have that. Will it be preventing moving forward with any dungeon or main story line? Not that I read. Extra storage? as an option...so no that does not seem right. I'm baffled what content will actually be affected that will make the game unplayable? All it does is give an edge away from console or PC really. Oh wait maybe it's because it was designed or at least to me if feels like it was designed to help with retainer management and people who craft and like to make gil. (not that it's hard anyways ) It would be nice if legacy players could get the fee waived, if not just another app like any other that is used as a tool to make money... Not bad SE thx for meeting our demands based on feed wack wanting better access to MB, retainers, space, and options outside of our console or PC. So how is content cut again? I like pictures by the way.

WHO? Who say its dishonest,you? Because I am fully honest with my comment, you are trying to speak for my mind, because I fully believe my words & yes as someone said elsewhere...

I could stockpile a castle of arguments & you could probably still claim its half truths

So far responses I've seen no your not honest with your comments all the time and sometimes omit conversations to make them half truths. Can you please stock pile some of your arguments then with valid claims as in links were information was found? Now I don't want a castle , more like a little tent or bunker. Pls no word twisting and if quoting at least quote properly, quite a few people do it.

I didnt use theses words,(I never spoke about selling it seperatly or being for or against it, free or costly)(I'm saying that spending time & money to build it in the first place was a waste) but now that you mention it, yes i think its a rip off

How exactly is it a rip off? What law or commercial law has SE broken? what part of the terms of use have they violated with us the consumer? It's a simple business tool and while it keeps being brought up n o one has really been able to say where.

[Ruf]

How exactly is it content cut? What particular area is being cut? The option for an extra retainer? Hmmm I don't think that can be consider content more of an option to assist a player. Market manipulation? hmmmm free version will have that. Will it be preventing moving forward with any dungeon or main story line? Not that I read. Extra storage? as an option...so no that does not seem right. I'm baffled what content will actually be affected that will make the game unplayable? All it does is give an edge away from console or PC really. Oh wait maybe it's because it was designed or at least to me if feels like it was designed to help with retainer management and people who craft and like to make gill. It would be nice if legacy players could get the fee waived, if not just another app like any other that is used as a tool to make money... Not bad SE thx for meeting our demands based on feed wack wanting better access to MB, retainers, space, and options outside of our console or PC. So how is content cut again? I like pictures by the way.

Please save me the Remedi talk, Ive been there with Remedi already MB , oh btw i just realized your named abbreviated could mean marketboard,,, Im sure the app please you, now go back to spending dollars, Im not arguing with you.

[ManuelBravo]

Please save me the Remedi talk, Ive been there with Remedi already MB , oh btw i just realized your named abbreviated could mean marketboard,,,Im sure the app please you, now go back to spending dollars, Im not arguing with you.

I'm trying to give you some credibility by asking of your sources. In any debate it is only logical to have that? I only stated what logically makes sense. If I'm wrong I would like to be proven wrong. As for MB comment was that some type of insult or attempt to insult? It only proofs my point further that many people see it as unfair yet no one has proven any actual fraud, or scam, just personal perspectives that clash with the simple fact that this is a business. Labeling as fraud or rip of is how people without actual fact justify something they don't like or affects them on an emotional level so they try to mislead the conversation. So I will ask again, what is your proof that it is a rip of from a logical perspective? What has SE violated legally?

Note: There is a difference in an argument and debate.

Argument; an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.

Debate ; a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.

I don't think my text can express anger so I would think this is a formal conversation.

Heres your picture. I never spoke about breaking any commercial laws.

Sooo how is this a rip off ? meaning = a fraud or swindle, especially something that is grossly overpriced. See what I mean by commercial law? It's a business practice that consumers feel it's unfair not a rip of.

It's basic membership, how it's run and experience varies based on player communities and participation. Ic an go trough sooo many links and areas to prove a point...however anymore than this would be wasted.

Cut scene; If you even think about it or even kept track of the forums you would have notice that many new players were complaining about speed runs on main story so that was SE answer to their feed back.

Housing Was work in progress, they open up new wards, and even change the rules to obtaining houses. Those who got them was do to their handwork and timing. Storage was given more options and more storage so not sure where your complain is maybe thinking old content and not read up on patch notes?

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3e139e9792abf/

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4942848db9539/

These are just few take some time to at least research things before giving people wrong ideas.

Mounts It makes sense to have some restrictions specially if other person does not have all currents or area does not allow that. hence each person would need their mount.

Dragoon quest line; huh? Seemed fine to me and even did secondary account I don't see that. What quest exactly?

Fishing & collectables: Sig is for SB and you have to be a certain level to get it. If it helps in past areas what is the issue?

Specialist souls for crafters, limited to 3 Well makes sense to keep the market balance and seek help along with player interaction. You can always change it at any point and get new soul stones no restrictions.

Macros,macros They can still be made and depending on your play style and device experience varies.

FC requirement for workshop? Personally I would love this to be a single person, however logically it makes sense that an FC would be more than one person. It can be done and that is why SE implemented new idead for housing as well as restrictions. Now if people won't help or can't get help sounds mole like a personal issue.

Zodiac to Anima glass You do realize you don't have to start all over and glass can be reissued? that is what happens when people don't read carefully or fail to read notes.

Based on your statements you seem to lack a lot of knowledge.

[Ruf]

How exactly is it content cut? What particular area is being cut? The option for an extra retainer? Hmmm I don't think that can be consider content more of an option to assist a player. Market manipulation? hmmmm free version will have that. Will it be preventing moving forward with any dungeon or main story line? Not that I read. Extra storage? as an option...so no that does not seem right. I'm baffled what content will actually be affected that will make the game unplayable? All it does is give an edge away from console or PC really. Oh wait maybe it's because it was designed or at least to me if feels like it was designed to help with retainer management and people who craft and like to make gil. (not that it's hard anyways ) It would be nice if legacy players could get the fee waived, if not just another app like any other that is used as a tool to make money... Not bad SE thx for meeting our demands based on feed wack wanting better access to MB, retainers, space, and options outside of our console or PC. So how is content cut again? I like pictures by the way.



So far responses I've seen no your not honest with your comments all the time and sometimes omit conversations to make them half truths. Can you please stock pile some of your arguments then with valid claims as in links were information was found? Now I don't want a castle , more like a little tent or bunker. Pls no word twisting and if quoting at least quote properly, quite a few people do it.



How exactly is it a rip off? What law or commercial law has SE broken? what part of the terms of use have they violated with us the consumer? It's a simple business tool and while it keeps being brought up n o one has really been able to say where.

Pvp really?Well if you want to add this to the list sure,ppl do complain about pvp(I'm not doing it but I sure see their comments)

Let me add,train of rmts doing storylines(do you know how many of theses ive seen while running my slow lalafell mule around the whole storyline for a second time?)
X Y Z disappear with characters under the ground & pop 1000yalms away in a matter of seconds,that is one thing that could be handled much better,

NXT,
Main scenario fix that force players doing the roulette to watch 1hour of cutscene for no reason(I stopped doing that roulette the day it got implemented)
MS roulette should be completely removed or more should be added to it(I will leave & take the 30minutes penalty if I get a praetorium & the other dungeon if I get that as roulette)
One fix could be to take off the 30seconds zoom on your staggered face in the cs & cut down the cs time by half & even half of it probably would be too much.

Housing could of been all stormblood was in my opinion with this 17months that took this one eureka zone soo far.Wards/plots could use more items to display,
we could turn around the way houses are facing on the land or even move them to a different corner, we could use more exterior designs like some said some are actually bad depending on positions & players would use more basic simple one, or make more extraordinaire exteriors like tonberry, limitation that doesn't allow me to put hedges completely around my plot shouldn't be(hedge shouldn't even exist if you cant do proper use of it,theres not enough items allowed to layout because then its at the cost of everything else (like I posted under housing,Go read elsewhere))

Housing insides,doors options are very limited & so most of that look bad unless you manage to make miracles with the 3 options you have,
interactive items,go past 40 & your items disappear at sight,Default pillars & windows inside are not customizable you actually have to hide them if you dont like them.

Mounts/Generic musics versus original songs or just duplicatas///
When on a double seater mount as a passenger, you can not utilize some items like (aether current compass) while on your own mount by yourself you can,
Also I noticed that you can not change ring#2 slot no matter what you do if you are passenger it'll always go to ring #1 (unless I'm mistaken,,,)

Also,

Spoiler alert: Do dragoon questline as soon as you can upon getting access to coerthas (dragonhead)area because further on the main mission line it actually doesn't match this questline too well anymore.

Fishing & collectables:while gathering with botany & miner for turn ins, to my knowledge while you can get optimal values with theses 2 fishing is a whole different story,
offhand tool could be great for more gathering & perception yet all we have is gig.

As ppl mentioned before too much of a crowd means npc(monsters & players in your party) disappear from screen/vicinity.

FC requirement for workshop? anyone who is/can be a single fc holder or even if there is 4 members,it doesn't mean you possibly have all of them on at the time wanted yet fc can handle building stuffs by themselves
as long as they get 3 other persons randomly asking.

Specialist souls for crafters, limited to 3.

Macros,macros is one thing that make 11,macros system is definatly something that should be fixed.

Limitations on some items should be removed like, a lot of medicines recast timers arnt worth it, also there is no reason that we should only be allowed x2 food duration as they already doubled it, we should be allowed 24hours if we wanted as for a new player sprinting the whole path from a to z skipping cutscenes (skippable ones...) take about 14days of playtime instead we have to use food every 1h & thus forgetting it at times, if you want to just do that you should be able to imo, sure you dont want vitality & you do want crafting food instead well so be it,overwrite the food, that would be our mistake not coding.

Zodiac to Anima glass, how come did we get a key item for anima weapons but the good old zodiac stand physicaly in your inventory? I started a zodiac book for sch, I accidently cancelled the quest (glad I wasn't far into it) but the maximum allowance to quests accepted (specially as there is soooooo many of them) should be pushed further on the limit or at the very least some quests should fall under a specific category.

I could state many more things but instead ill just say this,There is soo many things that could be done for this game health & instead we get the current first eureka feel which ppl claim that it took 17months, heck I think 12 months for that would be just as bad , as Vstarstruck stated,I would take a single dungeon over this & while a couple of you are saying that we just lost one dungeon, (Im one of the few that think the production rate of a single dungeon per patches is actually very little) I want a full expansion pack upon purchasing not several crumbs over 12months, Hildebrand storyline seems to be going downhill & the highlight is that whenever new missions get released, it last 1day.

Heres your picture. I never spoke about breaking any commercial laws.