Whats going on with SE ?

[RiyahArp]

Eh, people overreact on ptw because many MMOs can really, really do that bad. I mean, PTW and various cash shop gameplay elements can even doom or cull a game's future; what happened to archeage and allods online are two good examples. It's something that needs to be handled with care from the devs because people have been burned badly before.

[ManuelBravo]

Eh, people overreact on ptw because many MMOs canreally, really do that bad. I mean, PTW and various cash shop gameplay elements can even doom or cull a game's future; what happened to archeage and allods online are two good examples. It's something that needs to be handled with care from the devs because people have been burned badly before.

Lets face the facts though, the only reason DLC / Cash shops became popular was do to feed back and people complaining that the game was too hard. Take jump potions is just one of may ways players have influenced cash shops. All that companies did was take advantage to make a profit. We as the community gave them that tool to begin with. We complained, they fix, not fast enough here are your options. Funny thing not many are willing to take responsibility for it. I admit I wanted more retainers, more space, more ways to by pass the endless hours of gathering. SE said ok want more space, want more retainers here is an OPTION. I said cool now it's my choice. Devs do get irritated and in reality I don't blame them.

[Remedi]

Eh, people overreact on ptw because many MMOs can really, really do that bad. I mean, PTW and various cash shop gameplay elements can even doom or cull a game's future; what happened to archeage and allods online are two good examples. It's something that needs to be handled with care from the devs because people have been burned badly before.

Yes but the starting situation was very different

[RiyahArp]

Oh..it's a bit more complicated than that.

PTW schemes actually are a lot harder than sub ones, not easier. Like in a PTW game endgame is usually doing, again, stuff like how we overmeld armor, but far far worse. Because when you only get a tiny portion of the base spending money on a game, you need to make them spend a lot, and the easiest way is forcing people to buy power. And then that just becomes the new normal.

I mean, if you want to see how bad it can be, This reddit thread gives a few funny examples. Like how one guy soloed another guy's entire guild in pvp. So there is cause to worry for some people, but thankfully this app is nowhere near as bad as it could be in other games. Its just people worry about slippery slopes.

[Vhailor]

You are not telling the truth, you are wasting your time, even the argument that "I complain because I care" doesn't apply anymore, you've decided what to do about the game and the company atm you are simply spreading your propaganda for what? There are countless other games, countless other franchise, many way to actually spend free time instead of staying here and countering other ppl arguments when they don't are like yours.

Why, pray tell, does 'I complain because I care' not apply anymore? Is there some statute of limitations on emotional attachment to a particular title or franchise? By this principle, I think the Cleveland Browns probably shouldn't have fans anymore, yet plenty still exist.... they make their voices heard, rather than jumping ship to a better team like the Patriots (or even the Bengals).

Also, what do you mean by people not telling the truth or spreading propaganda? I rarely see unfounded criticism on the forums. You can argue that people might be wasting their time, and it's certainly reasonable to be frustrated by ever-present dialogue that you'd rather not be exposed to, but calling people liars or propagandists over their opposition to various aspects of XIV is ridiculous.

[Remedi]

First of all If you leave is because you have reached the breaking point and generally you don't care anymore also frankly I don't believe in this argument whatsoever because it's used to justify rants and pointless arguments most of the time so sorry I'm not buying it
As for not telling the truth I was not referring about real truths as him saying the truth but I was simply saying that he was wasting his time.

Besides I've seen plenty of arguments that are based on half-truths and when I asked some why the extra part of the facts have been ignored usually ppl didn't answer

[Ruf]

First of all If you leave is because you have reached the breaking point and generally you don't care anymore also frankly I don't believe in this argument whatsoever because it's used to justify rants and pointless arguments most of the time so sorry I'm not buying it
As for not telling the truth I was not referring about real truths as him saying the truth but I was simply saying that he was wasting his time.

Besides I've seen plenty of arguments that are based on half-truths and when I asked some why the extra part of the facts have been ignored usually ppl didn't answer

Oh but we answer you Remedi, Its just not the answers you'd like & so you go on with more questions after you clearly said that we didnt respond to the question, you've dismissed my full blown arguments before, & no they wernt half truths.

[Remedi]

Yet when I asked why ppl forgot that housing reclamation was in response to ppl feedback it wasn't answered.
when I asked why the housing reclamtion would be a ploy to make ppl stay subbed if it has no use for a big part of the population because of the lack of housing it was ignored.

Also I dismissed you argument before because it you complained about content cut and you simply said what in your opinion has less quality, which is not cut content

So no you don't answer fully, you don't even found how bad the app was either, ppl said it was p2w when it's actually worse, p2w is a dramatization because that's what to stick more with ppl

[Ruf]

The app is an example of content cut, i shouldnt have to draw you a picture
about it, if i didnt have respect for other players, i'd say ffxiv is the worst ff that was ever made.

[Sigma-Astra]

I think we should just agree to disagree that there are going to be some aspects of XIV that other people may enjoy and then, there are going to be some points that people don't agree with and that's fine. It's almost impossible for any sound game director/developer to appeal to the general population 100% most of the time, if that were the case...then we'd only have one genre of gaming to choose from with no need for a variety since most people would have been satisfied with one archetype.

I hate Arc Rise Fantasia as a $50 game out of the starting gate, but I am sure that there were some people out in this great big, wide world that could stomach the voice acting...and kudos towards them for not losing their sanity because I was too weak to handle it. D: