Aggressive Gold Sinks

[Anarnee]

Perhaps not you personally, but some will and it'll help over the long run.

Like, no, I understand that people will buy it, I don't doubt that, but It still doesn't make any sense. Because instead of paying 10mil for an item off the MB, which I can get over a month of just selling what my retainers bring back, and stuff from desynth, if I really like a glamour item that is 200mil, that will take much longer.

Like. You're speaking for "new players" but what if that new player wants the super shiny nice item, they're 100x further away from it, and will not be able to get the item, even if they take up crafting, because there will be an over-saturated market and very few ways to make money in selling things.

Like, to say this is to help the little guys is kinda silly.

[Selova]

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Yes it is needed. FFXIV is one of the only games that doesn't have more gil/gold sinks on the more expensive level outside of housing and a few select glamour pieces. Anyone who makes the claim that "they aren't needed." Doesn't understand how the economy works. Someone already pointed it out, with more expensive gold sinks it means there is less gil just being sat on by players because they have nothing to spend it on which causes prices to decrease on the mb for newer players, which in turn is a boon for the game. They need to add heavier gil sinks to the game, there isn't a valid reason to not add them.

[NephthysVasudan]

Like, no, I understand that people will buy it, I don't doubt that, but It still doesn't make any sense. Because instead of paying 10mil for an item off the MB, which I can get over a month of just selling what my retainers bring back, and stuff from desynth, if I really like a glamour item that is 200mil, that will take much longer.

Like. You're speaking for "new players" but what if that new player wants the super shiny nice item, they're 100x further away from it, and will not be able to get the item, even if they take up crafting, because there will be an over-saturated market and very few ways to make money in selling things.

Like, to say this is to help the little guys is kinda silly.

Finally...someone caught on to what i was getting at.

[Reinha]

Like, no, I understand that people will buy it, I don't doubt that, but It still doesn't make any sense. Because instead of paying 10mil for an item off the MB, which I can get over a month of just selling what my retainers bring back, and stuff from desynth, if I really like a glamour item that is 200mil, that will take much longer.

Like. You're speaking for "new players" but what if that new player wants the super shiny nice item, they're 100x further away from it, and will not be able to get the item, even if they take up crafting, because there will be an over-saturated market and very few ways to make money in selling things.

Like, to say this is to help the little guys is kinda silly.

If some people (who are not you) choose to save up for that super exclusive 200 mil glamour item, that's 200 mil not spent on 20 different items costing 10 mil on the MB. As the demand for 10 mil items goes down, the sellers will likely drop the price to be able to sell the items. Maybe the price drops to 7 mil or 5 mil and then anyone (including newer players) who wants that item can get it for a cheaper price.

[Alisi]

Old Everquest 1 probably had one of the better money sinks. They put in a casino. Pay some money to an npc for wheel tokens, use the tokens at a wheel and have a chance at winning some very rare sought after items, some that didn't even exist no longer in game. At a very low RNG chance of coarse.

I don't honestly think making mounts takes a ton of development time. But that aside, I'm all for this. I was thinking about something like this too. WoW has the black auction house, which is an NPC MB that sells rare items or things taken from the game at an earlier date. They have these mystery boxes which could grant you the rarest mounts in the game or give you something that's essentially junk. People buy that all the time.

Like. You're speaking for "new players" but what if that new player wants the super shiny nice item, they're 100x further away from it, and will not be able to get the item, even if they take up crafting, because there will be an over-saturated market and very few ways to make money in selling things.

I disagree. The more active crafters there are in the game, the more materials they need. Every patch brings out the crafters and those times the MB prices spike because of demand. The difference is that individual sellers will take home less and monopolies will be drastically reduced. And the prices for the gold sink items should fluctuate depending on the gil on each server.

Will there be people who can't afford the mounts? Certainly. But you have the tools you need to get them, just like other prestige items in the game. Should we take out rare savage mode mounts because they're rare and not everyone has the time to raid?

[Colt47]

From the way this sounds it's more of a crafter related issue than a player issue. I can tell you right now that non-crafters are rarely gil capped. The most lucrative adventuring jobs right now include playing Tanks because of the extra rewards from roulette and possibly healers as a distant second. The fact is crafters are just in a completely different universe than the majority of people playing the game of FFXIV. The real issue is that players who do primarily the disciples of war and magic have little to offer to the crafters, while the crafters have everything to offer to the former. We can at most get gathering goods in small bundles from retainer outings and pass on whatever useless crafter junk crops up in dungeon runs. Raiders can at least farm major craft materials from the primal EX fights, but honestly is there anything else?

Ugh, this is why I hate craft systems in this style of game. They never worked right and yet developers keep jamming them into these games like they are the most popular and wondrous thing in the world. I don't think I've met one person that has liked crafting because it's so unique and interesting and innovating. Usually it's because "It makes me boat loads of money!" and that's the end of it.

[Marcellus_Cassius]

*Edit*
Before it comes up of "well they can just add more items to the vendor!" Yes they can....at a cost of constant dev time "Sorry everyone! we had to spend a lot of time designing new and unique glamors and mounts for the money sink vendor this patch cycle again. Due to time issues the new dungeon token armor will be another recolor!" and so on.

I'm sorry but that is part of the mmo feel, the fact that they're not doing that already is the problem. People play these games for all sorts of different reasons and do different things. I haven't stepped into a savage or extreme trial in years, should I start complaining of dev time spent there? Or PVP, I like those PVP mounts man but no way I'm grinding that stuff, and that's ok I don't find it worth my time, why is gil different? Don't like to craft or gather? that's fine don't do it. Why is it that when it comes to gil all of the sudden everyone is entitled to the rewards? You're performing an activity, in PVP you use strategy to best your opponent and get more points towards your reward. Both activities take creativity and strategy, why do we reward one differently? Or in this case, not reward one at all.

Not in response to quote or person, general thoughts:

New gil sinks are needed, yes some of those players whom are able to spend that kind of money will make it back easy and that is not a bad thing as gil is being removed from the server and the gil players are re-obtaining is not newly introduced gil but gil which was already in the economy.

And you can't afford it so no go, no way? not everything has to be geared to you. Different strokes for different folks.

[Colt47]

I'm sorry but that is part of the mmo feel, the fact that they're not doing that already is the problem. People play these games for all sorts of different reasons and do different things. I haven't stepped into a savage or extreme trial in years, should I start complaining of dev time spent there?

New gil sinks are needed, yes some of those players whom are able to spend that kind of money will make it back easy and that is not a bad thing as gil is being removed from the server and the gil players are re-obtaining is not newly introduced gil but gil which was already in the economy.

And you can't afford it so no go, no way? This is what is killing the mmo scene, not everything has to be geared to you. Different strokes for different folks.

They could just stick gil sink options in gold saucer for capped crafters. Problem solved. Just give crafters their jumbomatic 5000 moogle ovens, anvils, etc with little moogles flying around the top like bumble bees and sparkles coming down from the heavens for a couple of million gil. Here's the problem with that idea, though. No one would buy them because they are zero effort to get for a crafter making millions of gil. They'd buy them all but once and it's over with, so they'd have to make them a limited time item and then be required for some kind of end game craft, which puts items onto the market board that adventurers buy.

Basically, if they give crafters a gil sink that is strong enough to make their gil cap issue go away, it could just throw the entire economy into entropy and take more gil out of the system than is getting introduced.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

It still seems to me like another "I want exclusive things that other people don't get", disguised behind "I want to shift the economy", from that last message, Alisi... I won't say it showed your true colour, but...

There's no "rare" mount in this game, except from PvP ones, because eventually, you'll be able to farm anything, even if you're a low tier PvE player, simply because of unsynch. sure, you'll say "it's the same for a mount that'll cost 500M, you'll get it in time", but it's not even true. For the most players that have less than 20M, or less than 50M, and, from my point of view, they are plenty, 500M is simply a straight "no". Even if the mount is fantastic, because we use that money, be it for glamour, for PvE, for everything. I know, I know, "once gold sinks will be in place, the prices will drop down". Sure. Yipee. We'll still get, let's say, 1M a week. Just 500 weeks, aka 10 years, to get the first mount of the gold sinks, that are, as you said, pocket money for those crafters that won't even get back to MB after they got their 500M back in two weeks \o/

Exclusive stuff is bad, because it's the root of jealousy and so on, and we get quite enough of that already so we don't need another reason for it. Plus, if you want exclusive stuff, well. You already got blue crafter/gatherer stuff, that are some really great glamours, so congratulations.

[AngelCheese77]

I love the game, SE. No disrespect, but this game badly need actual gold sinks. As it stands, the only real gold sinks worth anything is housing. (snip)

Gil is far too easy to come by and there is nothing outside of housing to really spend it on. This is the particular bane of the crafter/gatherers. (snip)

We need NPC's that sell exclusive mounts, minions, glam, etc. for exorbitant amounts of gil to act as a gold sink and balance things out. (snip)

A lot of MMOs have repairing be a gold sink, as well as using plat to buy tokens for monthly subs.

Personally I don't have a lot of gil (most I even had was 500k which I used to buy an apartment) so I can't imagine ever being at gil cap.

What about putting it back into the market with buying things from the MB for crafting? I understand if you're not a crafter ... hm.

Giving to others might be nice too. I've seen people to fun things like games where you find them through hints and get money.