Aggressive Gold Sinks

[Aylis]

We need NPC's that sell exclusive mounts, minions, glam, etc. for exorbitant amounts of gil to act as a gold sink and balance things out. I'm talking big amounts: 250m, 500m, or even 750m. People will buy them.

The only issue with an npc is it will be a guaranteed purchase. Meaning the players that want to make gold will buy them once, forget about the npc and in some time later will just remake all that money back and things will be back to square one again. Old Everquest 1 probably had one of the better money sinks. They put in a casino. Pay some money to an npc for wheel tokens, use the tokens at a wheel and have a chance at winning some very rare sought after items, some that didn't even exist no longer in game. At a very low RNG chance of coarse. It kept the money makers coming back for more and did stabilize the economy over time. If they did something similar here and put those mounts, minions and what not as the carrot on the stick to keep the money makers coming back for more. That could be better over time instead of just buy and forget.

*Edit*
Before it comes up of "well they can just add more items to the vendor!" Yes they can....at a cost of constant dev time "Sorry everyone! we had to spend a lot of time designing new and unique glamors and mounts for the money sink vendor this patch cycle again. Due to time issues the new dungeon token armor will be another recolor!" and so on.

[Marcellus_Cassius]

*Edit*
Before it comes up of "well they can just add more items to the vendor!" Yes they can....at a cost of constant dev time "Sorry everyone! we had to spend a lot of time designing new and unique glamors and mounts for the money sink vendor this patch cycle again. Due to time issues the new dungeon token armor will be another recolor!" and so on.

I'm sorry but that is part of the mmo feel, the fact that they're not doing that already is the problem. People play these games for all sorts of different reasons and do different things. I haven't stepped into a savage or extreme trial in years, should I start complaining of dev time spent there? Or PVP, I like those PVP mounts man but no way I'm grinding that stuff, and that's ok I don't find it worth my time, why is gil different? Don't like to craft or gather? that's fine don't do it. Why is it that when it comes to gil all of the sudden everyone is entitled to the rewards? You're performing an activity, in PVP you use strategy to best your opponent and get more points towards your reward. Both activities take creativity and strategy, why do we reward one differently? Or in this case, not reward one at all.

Not in response to quote or person, general thoughts:

New gil sinks are needed, yes some of those players whom are able to spend that kind of money will make it back easy and that is not a bad thing as gil is being removed from the server and the gil players are re-obtaining is not newly introduced gil but gil which was already in the economy.

And you can't afford it so no go, no way? not everything has to be geared to you. Different strokes for different folks.

[Colt47]

I'm sorry but that is part of the mmo feel, the fact that they're not doing that already is the problem. People play these games for all sorts of different reasons and do different things. I haven't stepped into a savage or extreme trial in years, should I start complaining of dev time spent there?

New gil sinks are needed, yes some of those players whom are able to spend that kind of money will make it back easy and that is not a bad thing as gil is being removed from the server and the gil players are re-obtaining is not newly introduced gil but gil which was already in the economy.

And you can't afford it so no go, no way? This is what is killing the mmo scene, not everything has to be geared to you. Different strokes for different folks.

They could just stick gil sink options in gold saucer for capped crafters. Problem solved. Just give crafters their jumbomatic 5000 moogle ovens, anvils, etc with little moogles flying around the top like bumble bees and sparkles coming down from the heavens for a couple of million gil. Here's the problem with that idea, though. No one would buy them because they are zero effort to get for a crafter making millions of gil. They'd buy them all but once and it's over with, so they'd have to make them a limited time item and then be required for some kind of end game craft, which puts items onto the market board that adventurers buy.

Basically, if they give crafters a gil sink that is strong enough to make their gil cap issue go away, it could just throw the entire economy into entropy and take more gil out of the system than is getting introduced.

[Selova]

*Edit*
Before it comes up of "well they can just add more items to the vendor!" Yes they can....at a cost of constant dev time "Sorry everyone! we had to spend a lot of time designing new and unique glamors and mounts for the money sink vendor this patch cycle again. Due to time issues the new dungeon token armor will be another recolor!" and so on.

People really need to stop waxing hyperbole with this statement. I keep seeing the whole "They shouldn't implement X because I don't feel the game needs it/want it myself because it would cost dev time/resources/a raid tier and their time would be better spent in some other area of the game." regurgitated constantly on these forums.



It seems people don't understand how development in a MMO actually functions and is the go-to excuse people like to use. They have tons of people in multiple departments that work on differen't areas of the game, people have this misconception that it's the same core group of devs that work on everything all the way from pvp to savage raid design and tuning, which is false.


Stop using this flawed logic to try to justify your arguments on why they make certain design choices that don't fit in your scope of what you want from the game. It makes you look foolish.

[kikix12]

Stop using this flawed logic to try to justify your arguments on why they make certain design choices that don't fit in your scope of what you want from the game.

This is true...but...we're talking about glamour/mounts/minions here. If the department responsible for these things have a constant stream of work for making these items for the sake of an NPC that gates them behind a wall of gil, we'll get them work less on those that are gotten through dungeons, raids, trials and similar more accessible content. And all that for a system that's flawed from the beginning and is asking for promoting gold-sellers, cause you know, the average player will never get that amount of gil without buying it. And people will be more inclined to do that, unlike now, when there is not that much content that is really costly to the point of being unachievable for the random guy.

[Aylis]

People really need to stop waxing hyperbole with this statement. I keep seeing the whole "They shouldn't implement X because I don't feel the game needs it/want it myself because it would cost dev time/resources/a raid tier and their time would be better spent in some other area of the game." regurgitated constantly on these forums.

Except never did I once say it /shouldn't/ be implemented. I feel it should be implemented. I said it needs to be implemented in a way that doesn't need /continual/ development attention patch after patch after patch. We all know the dev team is very small after all. If something needs constant attention, then yeah. With a small team, other things do have to get cut out.

[SenorPatty]

People really need to stop waxing hyperbole with this statement. I keep seeing the whole "They shouldn't implement X because I don't feel the game needs it/want it myself because it would cost dev time/resources/a raid tier and their time would be better spent in some other area of the game." regurgitated constantly on these forums.



It seems people don't understand how development in a MMO actually functions and is the go-to excuse people like to use. They have tons of people in multiple departments that work on differen't areas of the game, people have this misconception that it's the same core group of devs that work on everything all the way from pvp to savage raid design and tuning, which is false.


Stop using this flawed logic to try to justify your arguments on why they make certain design choices that don't fit in your scope of what you want from the game. It makes you look foolish.

Preach and Preach some more!