SE: if it aint broke, dont fix it (War)

[Wintersandman]

It is not ignoring the stance penalty. You have more HP in Defiance, and Upheaval scales off of HP.

Unchained simply removes the reduction from the stance. If you use Thrill of Battle before you pop Upheaval, you do more damage that way too.

You are totally ignoring how Upheaval works. Defiance is more HP, more HP equals more damage. So, of course, you do less damage in Deliverance, you've lost 25% of your HP.

You aren't reading his posts.

To be clear for Upheaval:
Deliverance Damage: 4000 (roughly)

Defiance damage: 6100 (roughly)

Unchained + Defiance damage: 7600 (roughly)