On a somewhat related note this entire thread makes me feel less patient with new/underperforming players.

To the people trying to defend poor play... what is your goal? Is it to make those of us who have even the most basic of standards somehow more sympathetic towards these players? If so, in my case at least, you've failed.

I had an ice mage in my latest Shisui run. The healer caught on to what was happening a bit quicker than I did (I had other players effects turned off) but after both the healer and I tried to get this guy to do something resembling a rotation up towards the second boss a vote kick option popped up. I took it. The blm in question hadn't been the most gracious person, he mostly just responded with 'lol' to our advice, but I feel like before beating this dead horse in this thread and the many like it I would have given the guy a pass unless the healer really pushed the issue.

I don't think the healer (or myself) did anything wrong. We offered advice and it wasn't taken. At the same time I am losing patience with these people and I think part of that is the knowledge that there are actual experienced players in this game who feel it's perfectly acceptable to ice mage your way to an O4S clear.