Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
No one is requiring you to do so. However, if you'd like to discuss, I would be interested to hear why you feel that way.
To use an example earlier in the thread; say you join a friend's soccer game without knowing anything about how to play soccer. You run around disorganized, kick the ball wherever you want, pick it up with your hands, etc. because you don't know what's acceptable, what's expected, and you never bothered to take the time to figure it out before joining.If your friend and his buddies told you to stop and go home because they actually wanna try to have a game of soccer, are they in the wrong? Or are they trying to partake in an organized team-based activity, where a group of people work together to achieve a common goal (winning)? Is it their responsibility to stop everything, teach you the bare basics of soccer, help you learn how to kick the ball, when to pass, where to be, etc? Or should it have been on you to at least learn how the game is played at a base level, before jumping in?

Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
Now that's all fine and dandy in principle, but realistically, what do you do about it? you queue solo for expert roulette, hit ala mhigo, and get a bad tank. How do you handle this situation without violating the principles you stand on?
Me personally? I never ever ever risk a df tank, ever. As a career tank who has plenty of friends to run things with, I never have to. If I wasn't in this situation though, with a tank who had no clue how to keep aggro on trash mobs? I'd offer advice at first, then leave if it isn't taken. I have plenty of other things I'd rather do than waste my time in a dungeon with someone who hasn't bothered to learn how to do the bare basics.

For me it's a matter of courtesy. I don't want to waste other people's time, so I practice, learn, and actively try to get better. What makes it ok for them to waste my time? Where is their sense of common courtesy? Yes it's "just a game", but I can guarantee you that no one wants to spend 45 minutes in an expert roulette. It's simple.