Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Ayer2015]

What I find amusing, not from just this thread but also from the many others about the topic, is you would be led to believe people are being kicked from parties all the time due to awful play, and that advice is frequently being given for others to improve. I rarely ever see this occur in game, not to mention the number of truly bad players is minimal.

[akaneakki]

not to mention the number of truly bad players is minimal.

I did expert as whm, was 400 below first dps and 200 higher than second. I was tank today, samurai did 800 lower than me. This is 2 out of 2 experts btw. So not it's not ''minimal''

[Ayer2015]

I did expert as whm, was 400 below first dps and 200 higher than second. I was tank today, samurai did 800 lower than me. This is 2 out of 2 experts btw. So not it's not ''minimal''

I don't use a dps meter and main a healer

[akaneakki]

I don't use a dps meter and main a healer

So you gonna go around say there is minimal of bad players without proof? I'm aware you don't main healer, I don't main healer and I was thinking you would understand a whm shouldn't out dps a dps in expert roulette or is that completely fine? Last time I checked my job was to heal and keep people alive, but yet on top of that I did more than the dps himself.

[Ayer2015]

So you gonna go around say there is minimal of bad players without proof? I'm aware you don't main healer, I don't main healer and I was thinking you would understand a whm shouldn't out dps a dps in expert roulette or is that completely fine? Last time I checked my job was to heal and keep people alive, but yet on top of that I did more than the dps himself.

I guess people would be less aggravated about how others play if they didn't use dps meters to keep tabs on how others are performing.

[akaneakki]

I guess people would be less aggravated about how others play if they didn't use dps meters to keep tabs on how others are performing.

So you are saying it's completely fine for a healer to out dps a actual dps? I remember so many times people on this forum say, tank job is to keep aggro, use cds etc, while a healer's job is to heal. Yet I see many healers out perform actual dps in the expert roulette? What are they doing? on sightseing while clicking once in a while? I don't care if a dps is doing just fine in roulettes, but when some dps like a samurai gets beaten by a warrior, something is wrong and you are here telling me it's fine? You what? Explain to me what a dps job is then

[Ayer2015]

So you are saying it's completely fine for a healer to out dps a actual dps? I remember so many times people on this forum say, tank job is to keep aggro, use cds etc, while a healer's job is to heal. Yet I see many healers out perform actual dps in the expert roulette? What are they doing? on sightseing while clicking once in a while? I don't care if a dps is doing just fine in roulettes, but when some dps like a samurai gets beaten by a warrior, something is wrong and you are here telling me it's fine? You what? Explain to me what a dps job is then

Honestly? I don't really care. I log in and complete EX roulette once a day and raid once a week. I barely even pay attention to what others are doing in DF parties. I heal and dps.... I focus on what I do, then move on.

[Jijifli]

I guess people would be less aggravated about how others play if they didn't use dps meters to keep tabs on how others are performing.

Not using a parser to see any numbers.

I still see when people are pressing only Butcher's Block. I still see when summoners won't dot or even cast. I still see when the Black Mage is spamming thunder IV on single target.

Maybe using a program to see dps isn't the problem, but the player actively refusing to do much of anything is.

[MoroMurasaki]

Maybe using a program to see dps isn't the problem, but the player actively refusing to do much of anything is.

Please take all my likes, they are yours.

[Sebazy]

I don't use a dps meter and main a healer

Odds are you may simply not be noticing it? Skalla's smaller pulls make it less immediately obvious if one of your DPS aren't aoeing well, not to mention that as a WHM, if you're putting any real effort into your own personal DPS you can really hustle some quite sub par groups along. I've got an Ala Mhigo run in my logs that took over 30 minutes with me DPSing pretty much as hard as my MP pool would allow, I did just under 40% of the groups total DPS myself. Imagine if I'd have been a zero DPS healer? That run would have gone over 45 minutes despite no wipes.

It's not like that was a one off either, I can very quickly link a nice big selection of expert roulettes where I've been responsible for doing 35% or more of the groups DPS. I simply shouldn't be doing that as a healer in content labeled as 'expert'.

Of course, this totally depends on your view of 'truly bad'. Personally, if a DPS is keeping up with me, that's a good show in my eyes. They need to be dipping under 2k for me to start rolling my eyes (And probably running out of MP everywhere). If I had to put a number on 'truly bad', let's go with 1.5k dps as an actual DPS job.

In reality, it's not really the end of the world because frankly, actually failing an Expert Roulette would be a feat with the current batch of face rolls we have right now. I just can't help but wonder if it's something that should be addressed to try and get these people a little more prepared for the leap up to EX trials.