SE's housing system doesn't favor anybody...

[Skivvy]

I'd be content if they would have just expanded on the inn-room system that is already existing for all players. Let us decorate the interior, implement a public stable, and provide a gardening instance (like they did in XI). This could have easily appeased the basic needs of housing for a lot of people.

They then could have left the actual houses as "luxury" housing for those who do actually enjoy having a full house and neighborhood. While still not ideal, I think it would make the limited number of houses slightly more acceptable as everyone would already have a basic rooms, with function, provided with the cost of your sub.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Scarcity increases Value. Plots are not supposed to be given out to anyone who wants one, but rather to people who can play the game and earn the money to have one. Much like Savage Tier gear, you dont get to have it just cause you want it, you gotta work for it (typically). This creates an intrinsic value to having plots. Theyre not a 'dime a dozen' but rather a 'Hey, I got the cash to get this thing, so check it out!"

If everyone can have their own plot at any time for little cost, plots become a bleh thing people dont care about to much. Keeping it limited creates demand and creates an artificial status symbol out of them.

On the flipside, however, It is a system that seems to be gamed against people who are not as wealthy by a disproportionate value. As in the main problem is when people purchase 5-6 plots for themselves to resell.

You're being willfully disingenuous. Savage tiers becoming incredibly easy once our ilvl far exceeds them. Brute Justice and Manipulator were two of the most difficult fight this game offered yet now they'll faceroll save for a few mechanics. You cannot just handwave that away by adding "typically."

Regardless, no one cares about plot value. We're technically not even allowed to sell them amongst ourselves, thus the devs didn't intend for small plots to cost more than four million yet many people have paid several times that, myself included, because there just isn't an attractive alternative. As for status symbols. I'll be blunt, if you think owning a house that is acquired on sheer dumb luck is impressive, well, you need better priorities.

[Iscah]

I'd be content if they would have just expanded on the inn-room system that is already existing for all players. Let us decorate the interior, implement a public stable, and provide a gardening instance (like they did in XI).

Minus the gardening, isn't this exactly what the apartments are for? I was looking into it and I'm pretty sure there was a public stable included.

[Krokov]

You are correct Apartments include all amenities except outdoor furnishings and regular gardening.

[Skivvy]

Minus the gardening, isn't this exactly what the apartments are for? I was looking into it and I'm pretty sure there was a public stable included.

Apartments do come with a stable, but apartments themselves are still in limited supply. Also, cross-breeding cannot be done with flower pots, and that's a pretty nice feature that isn't available to most of the players at this time.

I personally feel that for the type of game that XIV is, proper housing should be available to all characters created. So if they're unwilling to scrap the mess that they've currently made, I'd be content with what I mentioned above.

[Jijifli]

Scarcity increases Value. Plots are not supposed to be given out to anyone who wants one, but rather to people who can play the game and earn the money to have one.

By that logic, my friend with 200m should have at least been allowed the small he wanted in Shirogane.

But no, he was 1k in queue, and the house was gone. And so were his chances. He's tried offering 50m for his wanted small plots and nobody will take it. He's this desperate over it. I tried my damn hardest to get him addicted to something in game since his old one (fishing) is 100% completed and housing was gonna be what kept him around. He's already said if he can't get a house in the believed 4.2 release of more, he's done trying.

So is it more fair he couldn't when he has the money to not only buy the plot, but furnish it into one of the best looking plots? While some Bozo buys the plot, waits a month to put a building, then never decorates it? There's housing here in Balmung that's bought with 0 items placed. They aren't using it. Why can't he? Because this believed exclusiveness to a purely cosmetic feature?

[illgot]

What if you want want to do Gardenin.... oh right, there is no Outside anymore as it is Instanced.
What about the Furniture on the outsi... nvm, it's gone aswell...
What about the Housing Desig.... nvm, it's gone all to oblivion.

as others have said you can just make the outside part of the instance.

I don't understand why they didn't just make houses like Apts but on a larger scale. Allow people to buy S/M/L plots but it is completely instanced like Apts. This way everyone can get the houses they want. They can leave the current instances or even add more to keep the neighborhood vibe, but give people the option.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

They opened up new wards as well and people who took the time were able to get them. Not peoples fault if they are too slow or think they are special.

Really? Because a friend and I were up at precisely patch launch, we closed every single background program and turned down all our settings to hopefully get through faster. We even switched discord to our phones to ensure nothing would clog up the game. What happened? The launcher crashed entirely, forcing us to then wait several minutes when it simply wouldn't load. By the time we were able to log in, we were greeted by a 1,000+ queue. So please, do tell me how we were "too slow" or "special"?

[NephthysVasudan]

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Fun Fact! you're full of garbage.

At the time of shirogane opening up - I was at work - I'm a Datacenter Technician here - and one of the perks other than downtime thanks to a well oiled machine...is access to a internet backbone (30-50MB/s (Thats B not b as in full blown BYTE).
I have a less than 30ms Ping to FFXIV servers - 2 network hops to the nearest front door.

That means that I will likely out run/out pace anyone connection time wise.

Guess what mc-smarty pants?

Didn't mean jack. You could have the best connection possible. Best timing possible....and still not get there in time.

The problem is your attitude and the mentality that its a fair game. Not so when you have an vast population of people who are buying their 2nd/3rd/or even 4th houses....and add to that the majority of people who don't have a home on top of that want one as well.

Like it or not...we are outgunned...outmanned....and scant resources for housing.

So please...stop with the "git gud" attitude...its stupid. SE needs to make changes...that's all there is to it. how that is? Is up for debate.

Getting a house is dumb luck right now...no if's...and's...or but's.


I was VERY fortunate to get one recently...and that was due to the generosity of a friend. Cause I expected exact same outcome of the next rush to be disastrous as before. I'm content with my 1 little small house in lavender beds....not where I wanted it...but I should be so fortunate to have one.

As for solution to this problem? All of the ones I think of are going to have a long list of con's...vs pro's. Instanced housing requires vast resources in datacenter terms (A world of which im VERY familiar with) - After all...if it was that simple...they would have done it already...no?

I rest my case. - Too slow or special my ass.

[Mwynn]

Except instances don't have to be loaded if they aren't currently in use

Call me crazy but... are we all not playing in Instances such as :

~ Cities
~ Fields
~ Dungeons

It's just a Map that is entirely active all the time (You can see in Field Zones as example when FATEs are still active while nobody is in that "Instance" actually)
"in some cases they're entirely active"

Now for the Dungeon case, it is true that they completely start working / get loaded once you enter them from the beginning.
Basically we do right now play in Instances, hence we had 3x Instances at start of Stormblood, such as having 3x times "The Loch" Zones in their Database.
By choosing 1 ~ 3 we got put in one of the three Copies that were around then, giving us even Triple Hunts and such.

I mean I'm in no Way against any Housing related Suggestions or in this case, giving us more Instances, by doing so tho this Way, or well let's say Square Enix's Way.
We basically had a bazillion Warding Instances that would work just as it would do right now, putting even more load off as they don't de-load if there is nobody around.

(Of course if SE is finally clever in this case, they did it that Way, but knowing SE... they pull something half-a**'d off *eyerolls*)

I see the misuse of the Word "Instance" here basically. Why not apply the Word "Channel" instead, it does the same as it does right now.