SE's housing system doesn't favor anybody...

[TR_RA]

Everyone keeps wanting more wards, but what needs to happen is SE should apologize for the housing problem, COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SYSTEM altogether, and make instanced housing a thing, kind of like how apartments work, rather than looking like a neighborhood. You choose your ward, then you choose a plot. When choosing a plot, you can determine the size of the house you want. Having a specific number of S, M, and L houses is totally stupid as SE is limiting options for those who may want something different. We all pay a monthly sub, most of us want housing, and some of us are greedy enough to want multiple housing - which screws other players. Housing shouldn't be a battle between players - it should be an option that will always be there, regardless of sub or no sub, which is why I say instanced housing would allow this. I wasn't a FFXI player, but I did have friends that played it and wasn't it instanced housing in FFXI? Why change the system?

[Mwynn]

Ahem

What if you want want to do Gardenin.... oh right, there is no Outside anymore as it is Instanced.
What about the Furniture on the outsi... nvm, it's gone aswell...
What about the Housing Desig.... nvm, it's gone all to oblivion.

[Claviusnex]

What if you want want to do Gardenin.... oh right, there is no Outside anymore as it is Instanced.
What about the Furniture on the outsi... nvm, it's gone aswell...
What about the Housing Desig.... nvm, it's gone all to oblivion.

No it isn't. With instanced housing you make the exterior part of the instance. In fact moving to fully instanced housing would allow the 20 exterior item restriction to be lifted. It only exists to limit server resources for the always loaded wards.

[Tempest222]

I used to play another pretty old mmo a while back that had instanced housing and also a gardening system. When you purchased a house it was both the house and the exterior grounds. So with gardening you had the option of palcing pots inside the house itself (not sure why this isn't a thing in this game?) or you could just garden right in the ground outside. Not sure why instanced housing would ONLY have to be the interior.

[Mwynn]

No it isn't. With instanced housing you make the exterior part of the instance. In fact moving to fully instanced housing would allow the 20 exterior item restriction to be lifted. It only exists to limit server resources for the always loaded wards.

So you basically say for each Player they had to load a single entire Ward.

Can you imagine how many Instances that would be? We don't speak about 50.000, we speak about over 200.000 - 400.000 as every Player had the Option for a actual House.
Not with those Servers, let alone they cannot handle 300 Players in a single Instance before the Servers on Square Enix's Side start to crumble and disconnect everyone.

I just say 300 Players in the Lochs is a good Stress Test on their Server, now do that with over 50.000 Instances loading.
You can kiss the Server Goodbye or you need to cut out a lot of Gameplay Options (Such as Inventory) just to make it enjoyable.
People always think they snip their Fingers and the Magic is done flawlessly, ya sadly not in Reality.

Let alone their Reasoning not to give us Au Ra the Option to seperate our Horns due of Issues coming from the Data.
Maybe in 10 or 20 Years we're rid of those Issues but not in the near Future, not with the Way SE is working currently.

[Claviusnex]

I used to play another pretty old mmo a while back that had instanced housing and also a gardening system. When you purchased a house it was both the house and the exterior grounds. So with gardening you had the option of palcing pots inside the house itself (not sure why this isn't a thing in this game?) or you could just garden right in the ground outside. Not sure why instanced housing would ONLY have to be the interior.

You can grow things in pots. The problem is it doesn't allow you to crossbreed like the outdoor garden does. Crossbreeding is how you get the really good stuff such as minions or Thavnarian Onions.

So you basically say for each Player they had to load a single entire Ward.

Can you imagine how many Instances that would be? We don't speak about 50.000, we speak about over 200.000 - 400.000 as every Player had the Option for a actual House.
Not with those Servers, let alone they cannot handle 300 Players in a single Instance before the Servers on Square Enix's Side start to crumble and disconnect everyone.

I just say 300 Players in the Lochs is a good Stress Test on their Server, now do that with over 50.000 Instances loading, you can kiss the Server Goodbye or you need to cut out a lot of Gameplay Options (Such as Inventory) just to make it enjoyable.
People always think they snip their Fingers and the Magic is done flawlessly, ya sadly not in Reality.

In the current implementation the interior of the house is an instance and only loaded when the player enters. The wards themselves are persistent. If SE were to fully implement instanced housing both the interior and exterior would be part of an instance and only loaded when the player enters the property. Overall it should require less resources and be easier to manage than the current ward system.

[Tempest222]

You can grow things in pots. The problem is it doesn't allow you to crossbreed like the outdoor garden does. Crossbreeding is how you get the really good stuff such as minions or Thavnarian Onions.

Oh I see. I'm not really much into player housing so don't really know much about it in this game. Couldn't they just add the ability to do that with pots? Seems like kind of an arbitrary restriction.

[Enla]

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Except instances don't have to be loaded if they aren't currently in use, which let's face it - most people don't hang out in their houses to begin with. The only time the housing server is ever stressed at present is when new wards get added and everyone is, you guessed it, inside the existing housing instances. After a week it goes back to being a once a year issue and even that can be solved with smarter use of their limited server capacity at present.

[Syrehn]

Snip: instanced housing

The problem is that instanced housing still takes storage space on their servers (object placement, character location etc.) and SE's original issue with our current model was not having the server capacity needed to "add more land". More land = more server space/storage, thus instanced housing is equivalent to needing "more land" anyway because it still needs server space/data storage to be purchased.

Here's a quote from Yoshi-P on instanced housing from back in the day:

Finally, I’ve seen a few posts on the forums saying housing would be better if it was instanced like inn rooms are, so I want to point out that instances aren't saved. Nothing in an inn room needs to be saved; player housing, on the other hand, necessitates personal save data for things like furniture placement and character location. So, it would really amount to adding more land anyway.

This opens up a completely different debate regarding SE's financials and investment capital regarding additional storage purchases, but that topic's been beaten to death.

[Shouko]

No reason to start yet another thread about housing, there are probably dozens still fresh you could post in.