SE's housing system doesn't favor anybody...

[Soupa]

Even doubling the current wards wouldn't cover half the playerbase. And this isn't even considering FCs or the fact people can own multiple houses split amongst their alts or dummy FCs. Their planned solution won't do a damn thing as plots will be sold out within ten minute. Even if they do implement a lottery system, the overwhelming majority of players won't get a house. It's, frankly, ridiculous they cannot figure out how to offer a feature other MMOs already do.

You act as though everyone needs or should have the option to own a house. Spoiler alert: they don’t.

[HyoMinPark]

You act as though everyone needs or should have the option to own a house. Spoiler alert: they don’t.

I really fail to understand this exclusivity mindset when it comes to housing. Why shouldn't everyone in the game be able to own a house?

[Cylla]

You act as though everyone needs or should have the option to own a house. Spoiler alert: they don’t.

Spoiler Alert: Housing shouldn't be limited.
Only reason someone shouldn't have a house is if they can't afford it or don't want it. Simple as that.

[ManuelBravo]

Spoiler Alert: Housing shouldn't be limited.
Only reason someone shouldn't have a house is if they can't afford it or don't want it. Simple as that.

Reality; optional services can be limited. While not everyone has access and it is being spoiled by others who sell property in a way is fair game it does not prevent you from finishing the main story. SE does offer in rooms and FC can build rooms. If a player wants to build a home, must wait like everyone else. It seems hard, if people really want it they will find a way.

[Cylla]

Reality; optional services can be limited. While not everyone has access and it is being spoiled by others who sell property in a way is fair game it does not prevent you from finishing the main story. SE does offer in rooms and FC can build rooms. If a player wants to build a home, must wait like everyone else. It seems hard, if people really want it they will find a way.

Reality: When F2P and P2W games do housing better then a monthly sub based game, there a problem. And while I beat the dead horse, even blizzard does it better (Garrisons in WoW) and XI (a now 15 year old game) while lacking in what it could do, everyone had a mog house. And no, let not get into the debate on how mog houses were ran on the data side. Point is, everyone had one.

Because SE has made housing limited it has done nothing but cause chaos across the board. If they had not made it limited in the first place, these problems would've never came to be and none of us would be sitting here arguing over who deserves what more or having to waste a GM time putting in reports of people flipping houses, etc.

It not the mind set of, "Everyone should have one." it the mind set of, "There should be enough houses if people want them." If you don't have the gil, tough luck cookie. If you don't want one, then don't buy one. Had this been done right from the get go, we wouldn't all be here right now.

[ManuelBravo]

Reality: When F2P and P2W games do housing better then a monthly sub based game, there a problem. And while I beat the dead horse, even blizzard does it better (Garrisons in WoW) and XI (a now 15 year old game) while lacking in what it could do, everyone had a mog house. And no, let not get into the debate on how mog houses were ran on the data side. Point is, everyone had one.

Because SE has made housing limited it has done nothing but cause chaos across the board. If they had not made it limited in the first place, these problems would've never came to be and none of us would be sitting here arguing over who deserves what more or having to waste a GM time putting in reports of people flipping houses, etc.

It not the mind set of, "Everyone should have one." it the mind set of, "There should be enough houses if people want them." If you don't have the gil, tough luck cookie. If you don't want one, then don't buy one. Had this been done right from the get go, we wouldn't all be here right now.

FUN FACT and common sense; this is not a F2P or P2W option for housing, This is not Blizzard, for FFXI the housing is not set the way it is on FFXIV. ( played it since day one and still do ) If you have not noticed the requirements and graphics are different. Tthis is a completely different company than wow and better graphics in my opinion. If you can't wait feel free to play those for housing. Now in terms of flipping housing yes you could file a GM report, however you must proof that it is being does for RTM. Hence yeah you will have a very hard time. Otherwise when you think about it it makes sense to flip houses if they choose to. Everyone pays a membership, some just go to a more creative extreme to earn gills. To get mine I had to use vacation time so it all depends how bad you want it. They opened up new wards as well and people who took the time were able to get them. Not peoples fault if they are too slow or think they are special.

[Tridus]

FUN FACT and common sense

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

this is not a F2P or P2W option for housing

The subreddit where you can whip out your credit card and easily buy a house in places where nobody can legitimately do so via any in game means today suggests that it's exactly a P2W system.

This is not Blizzard

Obviously. They invest money in their backend infrastructure. I mean, freaking Wildstar managed to have a housing plot for every single player, with more stuff you could do with it.

this is a completely different company than wow and better graphics in my opinion.

Which is relevant... how? The servers don't care about client graphical detail.

Everyone pays a membership, some just go to a more creative extreme to earn gills. To get mine I had to use vacation time so it all depends how bad you want it. They opened up new wards as well and people who took the time were able to get them. Not peoples fault if they are too slow or think they are special.

Actually, plenty of people were booted of by server issues when Shirogane launched, which is SE's fault. The entire rush was SE's fault. The problem now is SE's fault. The entire thing is SE's fault. YoshiP acknowledged that himself, he doesn't need you white knighting for him to pretend that everything is fine and it's the paying customers who are wrong.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

They opened up new wards as well and people who took the time were able to get them. Not peoples fault if they are too slow or think they are special.

Really? Because a friend and I were up at precisely patch launch, we closed every single background program and turned down all our settings to hopefully get through faster. We even switched discord to our phones to ensure nothing would clog up the game. What happened? The launcher crashed entirely, forcing us to then wait several minutes when it simply wouldn't load. By the time we were able to log in, we were greeted by a 1,000+ queue. So please, do tell me how we were "too slow" or "special"?

[NephthysVasudan]

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Fun Fact! you're full of garbage.

At the time of shirogane opening up - I was at work - I'm a Datacenter Technician here - and one of the perks other than downtime thanks to a well oiled machine...is access to a internet backbone (30-50MB/s (Thats B not b as in full blown BYTE).
I have a less than 30ms Ping to FFXIV servers - 2 network hops to the nearest front door.

That means that I will likely out run/out pace anyone connection time wise.

Guess what mc-smarty pants?

Didn't mean jack. You could have the best connection possible. Best timing possible....and still not get there in time.

The problem is your attitude and the mentality that its a fair game. Not so when you have an vast population of people who are buying their 2nd/3rd/or even 4th houses....and add to that the majority of people who don't have a home on top of that want one as well.

Like it or not...we are outgunned...outmanned....and scant resources for housing.

So please...stop with the "git gud" attitude...its stupid. SE needs to make changes...that's all there is to it. how that is? Is up for debate.

Getting a house is dumb luck right now...no if's...and's...or but's.


I was VERY fortunate to get one recently...and that was due to the generosity of a friend. Cause I expected exact same outcome of the next rush to be disastrous as before. I'm content with my 1 little small house in lavender beds....not where I wanted it...but I should be so fortunate to have one.

As for solution to this problem? All of the ones I think of are going to have a long list of con's...vs pro's. Instanced housing requires vast resources in datacenter terms (A world of which im VERY familiar with) - After all...if it was that simple...they would have done it already...no?

I rest my case. - Too slow or special my ass.

[Cylla]

I was VERY fortunate to get one recently...and that was due to the generosity of a friend. Cause I expected exact same outcome of the next rush to be disastrous as before. I'm content with my 1 little small house in lavender beds....not where I wanted it...but I should be so fortunate to have one.

Same here. I have a house in the Goblet. Not where I wanted it but it is a nice plot and it a house and I was lucky enough to have a player contact me and willing to sell at a decent price. Which was still well above the plot price but, beggars can't be choosers when it comes to Balmung.

I did wake up for the opening of shirogane to try and upgrade to a large house and was met with the same slap in the face as nearly everyone else and met with people who had not just 1 but 2 houses. I have fiber internet, a decent computer. It not high end but XIV is installed on SSD and runs everything at max settings. I even turned down everything the night before just to avoid any trouble. Nope. Got kicked from the lobby server, then the client wouldn't light up the play button for nearly 5 mins. Came back up, hit with a lobby server error. By this time a friend on discord had gotten on and she said, "Cylla... everything gone." and I'm sitting in a 1k+ que like... "I don't even know why I wasted sleep over this." I knew the out come, but I tried anyway and failed like so many others who were met with the servers bottle necking.

Even with me already having a house, I was frustrated beyond belief. I can only imagine how people without a house at all felt.

I'm just hoping with 4.2, SE does something right. That it actually does become fair to everyone who wants a house and doesn't have to go through this chaos on every patch that has housing added. Just the same though, I do hope they keep the housing transfer system so that if people like me do want to upgrade to a larger house or even downgrade, can.