Black Mage

[Altera]

There is one thing about a class being slightly underperforming vs being purely ousted by the community due to it just have zero raid utility or any benefits, but just a headache having to work around the BLM.

I have played BLM since 1.0 in 2011, and I have been levelling other classes, but I simply do not enjoy their playstyle at all.
I actually blame people using ACT DPS meters and FFlogs that the BLM is in the place it is. If DPS meters hasn't been available, people would not cherrypick classes like they do now as they would have no idea which class setups is vastly superior.

And me quitting a game over this, is due to the reason back in WOW patch 4.1.3 when they totally messed up my Unholy DK class, and NOBODY wanted it, and I was forced to either leave the raid team or play another class or spec. And I played Blood, which made raiding so frustrating and unfun. It took the Blizzard devs about 3-4 months before they buffed Unholy back to normal and I fear 4.2 won't even fix BLM, making playing the game no matter what content as BLM, an exercise of frustration and simply no fun.
And I play games to have a fun time, and I prefer MMOs over all other game genres, and atm XIV is the only MMO which made me happy

I would prefer to play XIV 1.23 instead of 4.1!

And about if other classes being underperforming, overnerfed, yes they did quit. Just not the game. With Summoner being in a poor state at SB launch, there was almost nobody playing one as I noticed. Same with other classes in past patches as well.
Now that Summoners is the highest Caster DPS, I see so many Summoners around on server and in dungeons.

[zuzu-bq]

SMN was good at SB launch though, most of the rage was at the Bane and Deathflare nerfs (that was just), the horrible gameplay at 60 after the combat system overhaul and the fact a lot of people had no idea how to deal with the new tools while BLM was more of the same and RDM was an easy to play raise powerhouse.

BLM just have been underperforming since 3.2 and it's been so long that the community just roast any BLM they see. I personally don't like seeing BLM I don't know in my DF or PF parties, the chance of them being bad and drag the party down are too high. While on SB launch I didn't bother to have a SMN on my parties. It's just a job that when underperforms it drags everyone down with much more ease than any other ranged DPS, and when performs well it means that player can easily just play a better job.

Here is the thing though, SMN clearly had problems at its SB launch, so did BLM. Many BLM players been complaining of the same things since 4.0 came in, but they either got outshined by SMN complaints, since they had many more things going wrong, or simply dealt with it in silence. Now that SMN is in a good spot, I don't see why not keep making noise until SE realized what is wrong with BLM's new design.

[NovaUltimatum]

I'm really getting annoyed with the EU community thinking they can't take BLMs for Neoexdeath. Please fix this job Yoshi...

[Remedi]

Frankly I can say that anyone in the PF can be terrible a drag the party down and has been so true that I simply don't care that much anymore.
I honestly don't understand why the conversation shifts so easily from beign valid only on high level play to pug level play.

If we talk about high end play yes BLM has problems and is not optimal, but if we talk about pug play then frankly it's a FFA mates, you can be sure that NIN won't use shades or smokes, uptimes on buff will be less than optimal and that probably bosses will go down regardless.

Does it means everything is fine? Hell no but let's be reasonable guys.

[Llugen]

I've still been lurking, by the way, and I would like to point out that someone who said increasing BLM's damage would make it broken in 4 man content is probably absolutely right. What I might suggest is let Enochian give a damage increase by a certain percentage per person in the party in range (so, like a reverse-BRD song), so it is inherently stronger in 8 man content than in 4 man.

The biggest issue with SMN at 4.0 launch in my opinion was that Tri-bind felt stupid to use for aoe damage in medium-sized mobs, and spamming Ruin III in a mob of 4 felt really underwhelming (same thing with SCH). Currently, SMN is insanely powerful in dungeons.

It's not enough to "quit the game" that my main job is gimp, but it's definitely frustrating. I am enjoying playing SMN, and as I get better and better at it, it is more and more fun, but it's still annoying that the situation is the way that it is. Should they decide to fix BLM in a meaningful way, I will certainly move back to it.


Also, congratulations to the whopping two BLMs who have cleared unending on the job so far, out of almost 40 total groups. Note also how far they are behind the SMNs damage-wise.

[Remedi]

Well considering the teraflare phase that should come to no1 surprise, that is any dot class wet dream phase tbh.

and Tbh I would include that in the ok scenario, I was more surprised in the first 2 phases results tbh

[Altera]

What they could do instead of upping our Damage except remove the diminishing damage on Foul and Flare, is to put loads of adds in every boss fight, making BLM ever so desired for their AOE or else with the current META the groups will struggle xD

But yeah I have no idea how they can make BLM worthy to bring at all for raids, and I cannot come up with any decent ideas that has not already been posted.
I seem to spend more time on the forums atm refreshing the threads, hoping to see a GM reply that they have seen the BLM issues, and have something in the works and will be ready for 4.2, than I am playing XIV itself :/

I just feel the Devs and Yoshida used to be way more active on the forums before than now and hope they have not already forgotten about their Never forget about 1.0 ideology etc.

[Altera]

I'm really getting annoyed with the EU community thinking they can't take BLMs for Neoexdeath. Please fix this job Yoshi...

Yeah I have seen countless of these in PF myself. And when I join the ones who has forgotten to leave out BLM, I get removed, and when i update the PF list, VOILA the NO BLM is up

[Llugen]

BLM is perfectly capable of doing high damage (or at least decent damage) in Neo, so these guys neglecting BLM for that duty are just being jerks. Unending on the other hand is a legitimate issue.

[Neela]

And about if other classes being underperforming, overnerfed, yes they did quit. Just not the game. With Summoner being in a poor state at SB launch, there was almost nobody playing one as I noticed. Same with other classes in past patches as well.
Now that Summoners is the highest Caster DPS, I see so many Summoners around on server and in dungeons.

Well i already noticed that the ones who stick to their mains in worst or overbuffed moments at all arme very rare in this community. There is always a "worst" cls, never understood that most of the com chose it's cls by meta and numbers instead of lore and personal likings. Btw switching cls waiting for buff/fixing is still a whole different thing than quiting the whole game flaming devs and company, which was actually the point i answared to ^^

edit: but im totally with ya about fflogs i just hate that it steers everything nowadays yes indeed. but it's on u if u wanna please the com and follow the trend or if u just give a shit about this convention or what people think and wait until the situation gets better by buffs/adjustments. People may say "good call smn" but those people should he aware that i stick to smn since 3 years and personally dont give a fck if im an undergog or masterrace right now - im just a summoner. You seem even, would be sad if you would quit without at least waiting for the lets say first-try adjustments to Blm soon. : /