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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
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    You are not even answering the question or focusing the aspect that matters most. Frequency should not even be part of the equation, you still have not answered the question where do you draw the line that it becomes a problem and SE tries to do something about the toxic behavior like they did with PvP. You do not see how saying I doubt it happens as people make it out to be does not undermine those that come forward after facing such harassment? I mean at the very last I try to address what your points when I reply, you simply ignore them. The fact it happens means SE needs to try and do something, since clearly telling people to play nice is not cutting it.

    Reality is bringing frequency into the equation does undermine the issue since it has to be a wide spread issue for people to look at it and try to solve the issue beyond. People just got to be nice, and report to the a GM and move on. That is clearly not working. It is not about flipping the argument, I bring it up it since I have been waiting for you this whole time to answer the basic question, how often does it have to become for it to be a problem?

    That is why I brought in sexual harassment. Since the main issue when someone brings frequency into the equation of harassment, where do you draw line for it to be an issue. Depending the issue people have different quotas so to speak. For some once a month in too much, or others may upwards of 30 times a month. That is why I am focusing on frequency. Since in end we agree on the same points, people should be nicer, but is probably not going to happen. Still don't you see how telling someone that has gone through such abuse that it has not happened enough for it to be considered a serious enough issue to warrant the issue to be looked further into.

    More inclined to think that if this was another form of harassment we would not be having this conversation. Do you really not see how telling something that has gone through the abuse, I am sorry I know it sucks, but has not happened enough yet for us to take a deeper look at the problem, so just report them and move on? Tell that to someone that has been sexually harassed. I know you going to say the cannot compare, but in my eyes all forms of harassment are important, from bullying to sexual harassment. They all matter.

    That is why I am focus on the frequency aspect, I am just trying to show you how heartless the comment is when it comes to harassment. I know it is your experience, but it is silly to bring frequency since that means that such abuse has to hit a threshold before it will be taken seriously. That is fucked if that is how we view cases of harassment. Has not happened enough to warrant resources going into further examine why such cases of harassment happen and what we can do to somewhat alleviate the issue. I am sorry simply report and move on, or other people would say get good so people to not mock your performance. (Please understand I am not saying for you it has to hit a threshold for it to be taken seriously, but for many it does and for those people they will latch on to that notion and not let gone. They will say do not worry it rarely happens just report and move on. You prob will not deal with that often.) That sucks since for some as stated it does happen a lot, and they are offered no preventive protection or reactive. So do you see how that may hurt someone that goes through such abuse fairly frequent. Remember silencing can also be diminishing the magnitude of an event, and not necessarily completely denying it.

    The only line of defense people have to such abuse is to get harassed report and black list said player. So the person has to be harassed first for the tools we have in place to take effect. Silencing can also be diminishing the magnitude of an event

    That is not fucked at all.

    Since end of the day what percentage of the player base would it have to happen to for it to become a big enough problem.
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    Last edited by Awha; 11-22-2017 at 12:13 AM.