im the only one hate people get first kill with unsync?

[Cakekizyy]

Wouldn't mind it so much if unsynced removed any rewards.

Everything loses value so fast in this game. Even those awesome weapons locked behind ultimate coil. Will be an absolute joke in a few months time. And absolute rofl stomp few months after that.

Destroys a lot of the incentive to even try and earn anything in the game.

Originally felt really proud of my final witness title for clearing coils. Then soon as 3.0 landed bam just another worthless title that means nothing.

And then people / devs wonder why players just aren't that motivated. Or why raiding pops are so low.

Doesn't remove fun for me, almost like different people value things differently.

[Cakekizyy]

Meant synced at the end. Not unsynced. Can't edit from phone so sorry for the double post.

Use full site and you can edit on mobile.

[Fynlar]

Knowing the fight doesnt mean youll be better. Knowing the fight doesnt mean you'll remember mechanics.

Uhh, yes it does. That's inherently part of what "knowing the fight" means.

You think a party that steps into Ramuh EX for the very first time without any knowledge of it has even the remotest chance of doing better than a party that has the fight on farm?

[RokkuEkkusu]

I don't care whether people clear and/or farm stuff sync or unsync. Those things are not for you and me to decide on.

There are benefits to clearing things when relevant (when at level AKA synced.) When I do clear the duty (e.g., Sophia EX, Zurvan EX, etc.), I have more chances of winning battles and obtaining totems for whistles down the road. Heck, I can get my mount before the bads and/or forgetful ones start ruining the farm parties.

Most unsync farm parties for EX primals after Bismarck and Ravana are rather horrible and wastes time wiping to mechanics instead of using skill and their unsynced powers to farm mounts as the party description says.

[Claire_Delacroix]

Honestly, it really doesn't bother me. If I want to challenge myself, there's newer content I can use to accomplish the same thing; there's no reason for me to spend time on older content in the way you're suggesting.

[Lodinn]

If they had to wait for a year or more for new content, the game would be a complete wasteland...and closed.

Objection! Wasteland - yes, closed - not yet. Source: personal experience with SWTOR and roughly 2 years of no new content. Old content was much much more replayable and replayed though. Know why?
Unsync being much less drastic (running a lvl60 raid as fully geared lvl65 raid group is like doing primals synced, i.e. having max ilvl available. No more than that basically), way more instakill mechanics which are not just "don't stay in bad" and later on, sync up and not down so you retain abilities and so on.

Back on topic: Git gud OP.
I've first cleared all the primals in sync and yes, getting a group for titan/garuda/ifrit took days. But are you actually commited or not?
If you want bragging rights, go kill UCoB and it will last you until 4.2, probably more. Not good enough? Well here your bragging rights go.

Even now, you can't be completely oblivious to say a8s mechanics and still beat it. You had to have a tiny clue about o4s mechanics would you choose to kill it sync in 3.0. And theeen, you can underman and opt for some fun learning and devising new strats for undermanning. Half of this thread is saying you this, unsync allows you to do more, not less. If you feel offended... I don't know even. Try not to cry so much?

[Alleo]

I don't think one specific anecdotal example is enough to enough to disprove the whole "most likely better understanding" claim

But the feeling that somehow unsynch made the people worse or is the reason for all those bad players cant also be truly proven. At least not until we have the exact data with numbers that show us that the amount of bad players increased drastically after the introduction of that feature. I mean I am not saying that this might not be good for some players and the way they play but at the same time not everyone that does it unsynch the first time is bad. We simply dont know.

In the end this gives new people the chance to at least do that content once, without having to wait forever. This way people will not need to buy a jump potion to get beyond the content.

Are you suggesting if I took two theoretical players, both starting the game rn, and have one run every piece of content up to current stuff synced and the other do it all unsynced, that there would be zero appreciable difference in their skill level or their ability to clear the new content?

You could only do this if they have the exact kind of skill. Maybe the one that unsynch it, is already a bad player and would not have been better with synch. Maybe the one that will synch everything runs the stuff with friends that carry them through. I mean in my old FC we had some people that did stuff synch and yet they were horrible players who only got through it because the rest of us tried their best.

This argument is something that I probably like to see with jump potion but in the end even if someone still unsynchs everything, if they take their time to learn their job they will not be much worse. But if you have a bad player who does not want to get better, nothing much will change that.

I am not saying that unsych might not make it worse for some. But I dont believe that this is one of the main reason for the skill level of the player base. I find things like jump potions way bigger problems and even there you will have different kind of players.

[Mavrias]

its so useless in my opinion..
u dont learn the fight, no fun.
for me SE should do first kills only Sync doable.
i also hate people mean fights are easy. then go in sync mean they can do it easy and then "oh this is hard" lol while looking for a group know wahts to do

Didnt you make this exact thread a few days ago? Making a new one isn't going to make more people agree with you.

[Keicho]

the problem is you did learn the fight years ago, got the achievment/glamour while learning the game.

its just annoying to see how people overrole this while dont even know wahts to do in there.

i was in ravana ex fight with 4 people in a farm group.
people doenst wanted do it with 4 bcs they didnt know the mechanics there. well. "farm"

horses was rly rare and cool, and i dont like people can get it easy now. and its not a statemant to say ,,well they want to come into the game" for me a mmorpg has to be long and difficult, tahts why i play this game. farm stuff while doing awesome hard raids and primaes. it looks like it gets from year to year more casual. which is bad. they should not speed up anima/ zodiac weapons. bcs you get the points easyly by dailys. they shoulndt do higher drop rate by horses and birds, and let player do solo lvl 50 extreme primaes and farm ponys. you just overrole everything then.
idk why they do awesome and hard fights doable with less than 8 persons.

Honestly, it really doesn't bother me. If I want to challenge myself, there's newer content I can use to accomplish the same thing; there's no reason for me to spend time on older content in the way you're suggesting.

to be honestly? well then you dont deserve the horses/ birds or weapon glamour. you want stuck and do everytime the same in the game? every week the same raid? well. it would give you different in the game to do older fights in lvl 50/60 without unsync than only do the primaes and raids week and week again and role over older content in 2min. is taht realy the fun you want? im sure older player would agre^^


did you ever sucess a raid? and you was like "yes i did it" ?
do you have this feeling while do ramuh/ titan or raids in less mins with lvl 70 dont even get dmg to die? im surely not. you cant say "i did it" bcs u dont even know mechanics there.

[SeranaEclipse]

did you ever sucess a raid? and you was like "yes i did it" ?

You have not even done the new one, you don't even have gear to do any new relevant content to gain the titles you claim to want to protect but so clearly are just salty that other people can get the 'meaningless' tittles/mounts/minions that at some point you had to work for as many others have stated old and outdated content.


Edit:I know it is not the subject but from my view, the OP is coming back to the game not having put the effort in when the content was relevant and being upset that not everyone wants to do more work for something that is outdated, those same people that farm birds daily when relevant now farm exes and savage and coil, people do not have the energy or time to sync ever last primal for what can take up to 50+ runs before the mount even drops and it has nothing to do with learning the fight. (All tho i know some people like to play hit the aoe and take as many as they can in a row sometimes)