Tank dps harrasment

[Dualgunner]

Actually, the more I think about it, I think we all more agree on most of this then we realize. We share the same expectations. The true point of contention seems to be that I and some others believe that some players out there can't do better, and if they are honestly doing their best and still holding aggro/keeping people alive in casual content, then that's alright. The other side believes it is impossible that those people exist, that everyone can do better then that, that every single tank that doesn't drop into DPS stance for dungeon bosses or DPS while healing is doing so due to laziness. That's the crux, here. The question of whether or not it's possible that players doing that are actually at their limit, unable (not unwilling) to do more.

Nobody here is condoning laziness, or doing the bare minimum if they could be doing better.

I disagree. Everybody can always do better. Its a matter of wanting to.

Actually, you just proved what I said correct, with you and I perfectly representing those opposing viewpoints.

Obstacles are just a test of how badly you want something. Some have more obstacles than others, and its not necessarily fair, but anybody who genuinely wants to be better at something will find a way.

The question becomes "Do they need to be better?" To which I would say not necessarily. In high end content, yes one should always strive to be better than they were before. In dungeons and 24 mans? No not really, they're tuned for casuals to enjoy.

[Xerek]

I disagree. Everybody can always do better. Its a matter of wanting to.

Actually, you just proved what I said correct, with you and I perfectly representing those opposing viewpoints.

[Xerek]

The question becomes "Do they need to be better?" To which I would say not necessarily. In high end content, yes one should always strive to be better than they were before. In dungeons and 24 mans? No not really, they're tuned for casuals to enjoy.

Apparently you and I actually agree, outright. My comments have been directed at those asserting that said people should be attacked/kicked, the cry of "DPS or GTFO!" leveled to those in casual content.

[Taika]

My comments have been directed at those asserting that said people should be attacked/kicked

I don't think anyone here has said people should be kicked (and definitely not that people should get attacked) if they are giving effort. Some people do think it's ok to kick a person who doesn't give a damn about their team and goes with "you don't pay my sub" when asked to do something else than 123.

[MoroMurasaki]

Apparently you and I actually agree, outright. My comments have been directed at those asserting that said people should be attacked/kicked, the cry of "DPS or GTFO!" leveled to those in casual content.

Hyperbolic to the point of humor. Your comments have been directed at people who have said improvment is always possible and people should strive to do better (like me) and I've gone back quite a ways and can't find any examples of this "DPS or GTFO!" mentality you claim to argue against.

Why is this even a thread? Let me make it really simple for everyone.
if all you ever do is roulette and pal around with your casual friends, no one cares if you DPS or not as a tank.

People do care. That is why this thread exists. You can say that you don't care or maybe even that your friends don't care, don't attempt to speak for everyone