Tank dps harrasment

[AziraSyuren]

It still baffles me that the idea of being held accountable for your performance is so terrifying of an idea to this community.

Like, yeah, people can get really toxic over it, but it's no worse than the raw animosity directed towards those who have higher performance standards. If you want people to improve, you're shot down, insulted, or accused of being an elitist (the irony of someone like me saying this is not lost on me, for the record). If you're bad and want to stay bad, you're told that it's okay and put on a pedestal of mediocrity.

I never actually tell people they're bad based off of parse numbers but I certainly believe that it's my right to. It's your right to spend your sub money on being bad, but it should also be my right to spend my sub money on telling you that you're bad. If you get upset when people like me say that you're bad, then tough shit. You don't pay my sub.

[jameseoakes]

I never actually tell people they're bad based off of parse numbers but I certainly believe that it's my right to. It's your right to spend your sub money on being bad, but it should also be my right to spend my sub money on telling you that you're bad. If you get upset when people like me say that you're bad, then tough shit. You don't pay my sub.

Wouldn't that most likely end up being harassment or abuse which your sub does not entitle you to do

[Mavrias]

Wouldn't that most likely end up being harassment or abuse which your sub does not entitle you to do

Telling someone that theyre doing poorly isn't harassment.

[jameseoakes]

Telling someone that theyre doing poorly isn't harassment.

The way that was worded did not give the impression they had the intention of saying it in a constructive way

[AziraSyuren]

Wouldn't that most likely end up being harassment or abuse which your sub does not entitle you to do

I mean if you're an ass about it yeah but telling someone to improve their performance isn't harassment by any metric, nor is offering them an ultimatum if they don't improve.

I'm not the kind of person that says feelings don't matter- just the opposite, actually- but I'm just as stressed out by someone performing badly and refusing to improve as you* are by being told you're bad. And in a conflict between someone who wants others to improve and someone who outright refuses to, I'd side with the former almost every time unless they were wrong or their tone was so excessively confrontational that they drive away people who do want to improve.

The feelings of good players are just as important as the feelings of bad players. One side being easier to take pity on and feel bad for doesn't mean it inherently has the moral high-ground.

There's the issue of bad players critiquing the performance of other players and giving bad advice, sure, but I think an in-game parser would drastically reduce the number of people who are like that.

*Not you as in yourself, you as in a general term referring to bad players. I'm not making any accusations.

The way that was worded did not give the impression they had the intention of saying it in a constructive way

Oh no, I'd definitely be polite and courteous about it. I just want everyone to improve, and I realize that being a dickhead about it has the opposite effect. If I call out a bad player for being bad, it's not me trying to put them down to feel better about myself or just vent my frustrations. I legitimately want everyone to get better at the game and feel a sense of accomplishment about their own personal performance.

But even being a dickhead about it can possibly convince someone to re-examine their own playstyle and habits, especially if they're not coddled for being bad.

[Okamimaru]

I just assume everyone sucks until they prove otherwise... therefore no salt when things don't go perfect... y'all really need to calm down... it's just a game...

[Sunhwapark]

therefore no salt when things don't go perfect...

Am i allowed to be salty if i hit enrage on V1S and the boss is still at 50% Health?

[Thoro39]

Data about me menkel schmenkel. This whole deal about "my privacy" is kind of out of proportion
FFLogs containing records of your performance is no different from a Youtube-Video or Twitch recording that incidentally has you playing your character in it, just in a more displayable/searchable manner. You don't see anyone asking you for your permission whether they can upload a gameplayvideo of a 24 Man or ExPrimal raid, just because you happened to be in that party.
These kind of demands are asinine, especially when you have the option to hide your character anyway if it bothers you THAT much. If it doesnt bother you that much, no harm gained.

[NephthysVasudan]

Well this thread certainly made me sit back and stare/research. Oddly enough FFlogs seems to be broken on my char (And I'm content with that :P ) - My 2 cents is this.
Tanks are supposed to tank. Period.
Healers are supposed to heal. Period.
DPS - need I say more?

If the tanks and healers can dps - great...bonus.

The only time this isn't the case - is if the following is true: Extra Tank on the field (like Raids/or multi Tank situations) - Party doing so well that healers are not needing to heal as much.
Now I can get Extremes/Ultimate having a unique situation where the tank needs to do something different. But in all honesty it depends on the party.
Bottom line - if you get yelled at for some stupid ass log saying abc and is not up to the standards of some random idiot....report them and walk away.
SE doesn't give a crap about what your logs say - what they do care about is you are not hindering the experience. So long as you are doing your job at its basic form - and the party is getting the job done...you should NEVER be kicked for that. What happens in the end is not known - but this much I have found out on my own. Perfectionism is not SE's MO - unless your doing Extreme/Savage/Ultimate that are seriously unforgiving - but that impacts everyone.

honestly I'm against this parser crap - It leads to opinionated elitist morons who judgmentally condemn random players. Yes - I don't deny that it can help greatly for players who need the help - but its akin to being utterly discriminatory. I have a mentor who uses one - and he's ALWAYS constructive. I'd say he's the exception to the rule. Unless you attack him - then he's got ammo lol. (very experienced and knows his stuff)

Thankfully I've not encountered this myself - I will say that being honest about "being a sucky player" up front tends to remove the tension - that way if you get yelled at...they are the idiots...not you.
I see this ALOT.

Not sure if what I said made sense....and honestly people who think otherwise can jump off a virtual cliff cause I play for fun and enjoyment...not for the speedrun addicts. (Pull more! (healer says this and promptly dies afterwards....yep..been there done that))

[Shurrikhan]

Well this thread certainly made me sit back and stare/research. Oddly enough FFlogs seems to be broken on my char (And I'm content with that :P ) - My 2 cents is this.
Tanks are supposed to tank. Period.
Healers are supposed to heal. Period.
DPS - need I say more?

Each "role" is no more than "having point" on and the superior efficiency to do something. If that person can still do it, then because they are more efficient, you let them. You are not, however, free from concerns of party or personal survival just because you are not specialized for mitigation or restoration. Nor are a third or more of your abilities ornaments on a tank or healer.

It makes sense in a siege shooter that you'd have the guy with the shotgun or SMG breach. That doesn't mean he does nothing else. One guy you really don't want to have die first may be carrying the medpacks. That doesn't mean medpacks are his only responsibility.

Stop mistaking specialization for an exhaustive job description. Stop.