Tank dps harrasment

[Avatre]

Now, before I get too into it, no I do NOT condone the kicking of a tank because they are in their tank stance the whole time(I stick to tank stance around 90% of the time, and rarely drop Grit, or go into Sword Oath).

There is one thing that I haven't(and sorry if I missed it, I've only partially been paying attention to this thread) seen, and that's what the interactions were like. 9/10 when someone gets kicked from a group, it's because of toxic behaviour. The way you say something can definitely influence it, but very very VERY rarely do I see someone kicked for their numbers(actually, I've NEVER seen it). And without context(as I said, I didn't see it in this thread) it's really hard to say if that could have been a factor in the OP being removed.

[Cardian]

I've noticed on several occasions that there are people that will be rude to the tank for little to no reason. In one instance, I remember a black mage giving the tank crap because they were not chain pulling, as if they didn't have enough time to run a dungeon.

[Arkturius]

Now, before I get too into it, no I do NOT condone the kicking of a tank because they are in their tank stance the whole time(I stick to tank stance around 90% of the time, and rarely drop Grit, or go into Sword Oath).

There is one thing that I haven't(and sorry if I missed it, I've only partially been paying attention to this thread) seen, and that's what the interactions were like. 9/10 when someone gets kicked from a group, it's because of toxic behaviour. The way you say something can definitely influence it, but very very VERY rarely do I see someone kicked for their numbers(actually, I've NEVER seen it). And without context(as I said, I didn't see it in this thread) it's really hard to say if that could have been a factor in the OP being removed.

Main issue is tank stance is pretty worthless /redundant nowadays

[HazyAssaulter]

I've noticed on several occasions that there are people that will be rude to the tank for little to no reason. In one instance, I remember a black mage giving the tank crap because they were not chain pulling, as if they didn't have enough time to run a dungeon.

It's not that people are out to get tanks. If a tank is chain pulling and the DPS aren't using their AoE tools, the DPS are going to get flack too. Anyone that is consciously playing in a way that wastes everyone else's time is being inconsiderate.

[DeaconMoore]

Main issue is tank stance is pretty worthless /redundant nowadays

Not really. When you drop tank stance as the MT you're putting more pressure on the rest of the group. Dps can't afford not to watch their threat, healers end up spending more time healing you than dpsing themselves, and if things go south and you mess up not going back into tank stance in time thx to gcd or whatever for a tank buster, or you along with the dps eat some unavoidable aoe dmg, dps are more likely to die if the healer (s) are busy trying to keep you alive as a result.

I like seeing big numbers next to my name as much as anyone else but chasing big dps numbers isn't the tanks job. That's just icing on the cake for them.

[Lilseph]

Not really. When you drop tank stance as the MT you're putting more pressure on the rest of the group.

I play healer and this is not true in Expert. It doesn't put any pressure and I can DPS just fine. A tank that knows how to swap stances will have their aggro sorted out. Ultimately, DPS jobs have aggro managing skills.

Yes, accidents can happen, but it's not as bad as you make it look. Some people might make mistakes but some of them are also learning, which implies that they will f*** up at some point.

[Mavrias]

Not really. When you drop tank stance as the MT you're putting more pressure on the rest of the group. Dps can't afford not to watch their threat, healers end up spending more time healing you than dpsing themselves, and if things go south and you mess up not going back into tank stance in time thx to gcd or whatever for a tank buster, or you along with the dps eat some unavoidable aoe dmg, dps are more likely to die if the healer (s) are busy trying to keep you alive as a result.

You put next to no extra pressure on the group if you know what you're doing. Smart cooldown usage, knowing when busters or heavy hits are coming, self healing, all make you functionally no different than a tank in tank stance to your healers.

DPS should be appropriately managing their threat in the first place (threat drops, diversion) but you should also know when you need to throw in an extra hate combo or swap back into stance to regain more of a hate lead.

[Avatre]

but you should also know when you need to throw in an extra hate combo or swap back into stance to regain more of a hate lead.

Which, lets face it, quite a few tanks do NOT know how to do it. And they are also the ones that end up dropping the tank stance because "some other tank-main told me that tank stance isn't needed". I've lost count the number of times, while using Diversion/Lucid/whatever other agro dump I have, that I've stolen hate from a tank because "muh deeps"

[HoodRat]

Which, lets face it, quite a few tanks do NOT know how to do it. And they are also the ones that end up dropping the tank stance because "some other tank-main told me that tank stance isn't needed". I've lost count the number of times, while using Diversion/Lucid/whatever other agro dump I have, that I've stolen hate from a tank because "muh deeps"

And I've lost count the number of times I outdps actual dps players as a tank. If they're not gonna contribute to dps, someone has to. :^)

[Avatre]

And I've lost count the number of times I outdps actual dps players as a tank. If they're not gonna contribute to dps, someone has to. :^)

I've had that happen to, and without losing agro. BUT, I said that quite a few tanks cannot keep agro, and deal lots of DPS. I'm not saying that nobody should be staying in tank stance 100% of the time(I don't, if I have a good feel for the party, and know I can drop it, I will), but until people actually know the class they are in there as(which is where you out DPS those DPS - either by them not knowing their class, or you being way overgeared compared to them) they should stick to what their class is originally designed for.