Built-in Parsers

[HyoMinPark]

all mistakes are recoverable, no game content has a no win scenario. so yes everyone needs to own up.

This is absolutely false. You’ve clearly never done something like, for example, V4S, where Exdeath’s Thunder III tankbuster kills a tank when they fail to properly mitigate, and then the second hit turns around and hits the party member with the second highest aggro (usually a melee). And that tankbuster is an AOE, so say goodbye to the MT, the unfortunate melee, and anyone else standing near them. So, assuming that the OT, and another melee were there, that’s half the party gone. How is that recoverable? By the way, LB3 is a rarity in V4S unless there are too many deaths, and at that point, you aren’t going to meet enrage, so the healer LB3 would be a complete waste.

Don’t make blanket statements when you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Not all mistakes are recoverable; there are plenty that result in a wipe because one individual screwed up.

like I stated JP players don;t kick 1 person after 3 wipes they vote abandon if no amount of discussion improves a run. no hate, no rude words. they don't sigle out 1 player, they ask what the group did wrong, and how the group can improve.

Still on about the JP community? You seem to have either forgot, or you don’t know, that a JP static were the ones who harassed a FFXIV official on Nico Nico via parser, and one of the reasons Yoshi-P and the developers are so against condoning parsing in the first place. JP players are not the saints you make them out to be, so please stop romanticizing them.

if 1 person was really sat fault, then the other 7 can do fine w/o them and clear the run after they died. but that is not the case. Each person makes a mistake, or delibralty does something to everyone else.

Wrong again. While there are situations where 7 other highly skilled players can carry the deadweight of an 8th, those are few and far between. And nobody should have to carry a person who doesn’t want to fulfill their role in the group anyways. Even if the rest of the party can brute force their way through the duty.

There are some duties where you cannot just use brute force. I would love to see 7 people carry an 8th person through Ultimate, especially considering it still hasn’t been cleared yet.

like a healer getting upset a person stood in an aoe dying.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here, but a healer does have every right to get mad at a person who dies because they can’t be bothered to move out of the AOEs.

no win scenario is when if you don't do something you can't progress. 1 mistake from 1 person doesn't cause a wipe. the whole group needs to make mistakes to cause a wipe.

did you not read the whole post? just asking because you pulled 1 line and using it to insult me rather looking at the post as a whole. This is the type of stuff I'm talking about the petty behavior over a difference in opinion.

One person can very easily cause a wipe in some content, and that would not be the fault of the party. Tank doesn’t mitigate for a tankbuster like Exdeath’s Thunder III, or Alexander Prime’s Punishing Heat and it takes out half the party as a result? How is it the fault of the party for the tank failing to mitigate? An OT doesn’t grab adds in certain fights, and they run off and pummel a healer to death. How is that the entire party’s fault? DPS die due to not being topped off during raidwide damage such as Halicarnassus’ Dimensional Wave. How is that the fault of the DPS? Or the tanks even?

You talked about snowball effects—but the truth is, the snowball has to start somewhere, and it usually starts with a single person. Again, refer back to my examples I have given you, where the wipe was caused by a single person failing to perform their job: tank failing to tank/mitigate busters, healers failing to heal before massive AOE damage, etc.. Those wipes start with a single person making a single, careless mistake. If you want a DPS-at-fault scenario, take Sephirot Ex: how fun do you think it is for a melee to not move off to the side when they have an Earthshaker marker, and take out half of the party with them? Not very fun. How fun is it to have the DPS marked for Mad Hops stack with the OT/healers also marked for their own Mad Hops and take them out? Not very fun.

You aren’t expressing your posts as opinions, but rather stating them as if they are facts. Anyone who disagrees with you is met with “JP community is better!” and condescending remarks accusing them of “attacking you” and being the “toxic elitists” that are what’s “wrong” with the NA/EU community.


I’m still waiting for an answer to my previous question: do you do Savage content? Have you done any of Omega Savage? Have you cleared V3S? What about V4S? Did you do any of Alexander Savage when it was relevant? If not, then why are you talking about things you don’t understand, and making generalizations and trying to pass them off as “facts”? If you haven’t done Savage, then you haven’t done the type of content where one mistake from one person can very easily lead to a wipe.

And this isn’t coming from some “elitist” pedistal. This discussion was originally about implementing parsers in content where they matter, and if you don’t do said content (Ultimate, Savage, Ex primals), then why do you care? And why are you trying to pass your opinions off as facts when you haven’t even done the content in this game where a parser actually matters?



To address the continued proposal that publicly condoned parsers would lead to more widespread harassment: where is the evidence suggesting this? Where is the evidence supporting this? As far as I’m aware, no one can see into the future, so no one can say that harassment via parser is going to increase if they were to be publicly condoned, or if one was to be built into the game; or that it would not be properly dealt with if reported.