Built-in Parsers

[Shurrikhan]

The problem with that is that NA/EU community has an invidualistic culture.
We dont have the culture to each other that JP has.
And thats NA/EU community own fault to begin with , and no parser is gona fix that :P

We're still blowing up this generalization?

Granted, this too is anecdotal, but I've noticed no significant differences when queuing with JP players on my alts as compared to here with NA/EU players on my main. At most, there seem to be fewer vocal trolls, but just as many irate, stubborn, and collaborative individuals. Blame gets tossed plenty, and "carrying" comes up just as often.

I feel like many players who don't actually play with all groups romanticize this idea of the JP culture. It's different, sure. But it's not that different.

[NovaLevossida]

Except we aren't.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but do something enough and you'll develop a sense of whether you're doing it right or not. In time, you'll even learn to do it better, provided you aren't simply putting in a token effort.

Now then, yes, a LOT of information made readily available is achieved through pioneers with parsers, and that's great. But once again, I (and perhaps I can only speak for myself) have never run into a situation where I couldn't clear something or struggled or was disadvantaged purely for not having/being able to parse. I have learned a lot of things the hard way, and at times seen a mechanic once and said "oh that's just X mechanic with new paint", then never had issue with it ever again. The key there is the effort that went into it, though some might say it's more than necessary. . . I counter that by saying I've run stuff that groups had on farm, and watched just how lost they were without ACT callouts. Meanwhile, having done it enough, or simply paying attention, I can handle things accordingly.

I want to clarify again: I'm not saying parsers aren't helpful. They ARE. They AREN'T 100% necessary, console or PC. If they were, we'd have a tool in place already. But we console players aren't inherently disadvantaged for not having the option available. Not if we make the effort to be good.

Saying that you aren't disadvantaged by the lack of access to parser on console versus PC having access is like saying you're not disadvantaged by chopping down a tree with a hatchet while someone else uses a chainsaw and modern tech. One group has certain tools and the other does not. That's an inherent disadvantage, and saying that you overcome the discrepancy does not actually speak against the disadvantage existing.

I don't need those programs to clear content, same as you. I am, however, irritated at the discrepancy between the two portions of the player base and how SE is handling that. Or, to be more accurate, not handling it.

[akaneakki]

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First of all. I have to correct A LOT of what you said. You clearly don't know what you talk about and you clearly have to stop talking about something you never experience, which will lead to people not taking you serious anymore. Japanese players have standars too. They go in together KNOWING they can do the fight. Most JP players would never ever go inside a fight with 7 others, knowing they:
1: lack dps, 2: can't do the mechanics.

To correct your other thing. As few people mentioned already about mechanics. How about you stop saying there is groups fault when 1 person screw up is entire groups fault? If 3 dps can chunk out 85-90% dps gameplay, and one is below 50% and it enrage it's that dps fault. So please, stop talk like you know about the fights when we all CLEARLY see you don't.

The problem with that is that NA/EU community has an invidualistic culture.
(and that for a good reason, we seen here enough negative posts)

Comes from a person who think it's fun to wipe 7 other people on purpose for over 1 hour and half. Whos toxic again? Read my signature and you know excactly what I talk about.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

They're not handling it because it's still not necessary (Having/using a parser, that is). If it ever somehow became necessary, then they'd implement it, don't you think?

And I say I'm not disadvantaged because I have never been at a loss for not having it. I'm really not making that up. And before someone tries to rebuttal with it; am I the best [insert role here]? Nah, not by a long shot. Have I made mistakes? Plenty. Raise your hand if you haven't, please. Am I competent, able to play at a high level, and able to successfully clear any content I actively try to? Absolutely, and without a parser. . . Where's my disadvantage for being a console player, exactly?

Let's please stop trying to paint such extremes here. If it were in fact a disadvantage to not have access to it at all, then console players would be notably worse, wouldn't they? Either I'm some kind of statistical impossibility (which I strongly doubt) or maybe - just maybe - it's actually possible to play and play well without NEEDING a parser. Would you not agree?

We're still blowing up this generalization?

I'll be rude enough to say it: That's kinda all this thread is now. Generalizations.

[akaneakki]

They're not handling it because it's still not necessary (Having/using a parser, that is). If it ever somehow became necessary, then they'd implement it, don't you think?

In a high pve game, yes it's needed.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

In a high pve game, yes it's needed.

Preferred, yes. Needed? I still scrutinize that, but I'm not one to rock the boat for no reason.

I got no issues with parsing, and assuming people don't misuse it, I'd welcome an official one. I'd even welcome some kind of console option. But I have every issue with the limited mindset of thinking console players are disadvantaged for not having it.

[akaneakki]

Preferred, yes. Needed? I still scrutinize that, but I'm not one to rock the boat for no reason..

Let me ask you this question. I read a while back you did a mch opener or rotation before a guide came out. I can quote you on it soon as I find it. I asume MCH is your main, correct? On a scale from 1 to 10 how good do you think you are on MCH compare to lets say top 20 mchs? The very good ones.


Since I've asked that, I'm looking forward to see what you say. Then, I agree, ps4 players can play well but then again, it's becaue of a help from people with a parser in the game. SMN I had back in gordias and midas raid was amazing and he was on ps4. He only asked if his dps was lower or higher in some places of a fight, asuming he wanted to know what he changed did better or less. If nobody had a parser, how could one know they improved or not? But again I'm waiting for your reply. And I know you aren't a NO person for parser, I can tell but also there is a disadvantage for ps4 players NOT having a parser.

[akaneakki]

Uh...PS4 player here...I don't ask people about my parses, I know when I can improve based on my enmity generation,

I'm sorry but this is a hardcore meme. Honestly you can't? Ever heard about diversion? Ever heard about aggro reset skills? Elusive jump? Lets say i did that 2 times in a fight without you noticing, Would you still think you were ahead of me? Another example, samurais has shitload of aggro and they can still play bad. What's your point again? This comes from a person who's also on ps4 btw

[dotsforlife]

Uh...PS4 player here...I don't ask people about my parses, I know when I can improve based on my enmity generation, and going through the dungeons/trials/raids multiple times. I've been told my numbers a total of 1(ONE) time, and that was back in the early stages of HW. All that was said was that they were low, but not the lowest. I never once looked(or even cared to look) at FFLogs until just recently out of curiosity.

So, saying that PS4 players can't improve without them...please pull your head out of the hole and take a good look around.

Enmity generation is not an accurate representation of dps numbers. Never was, never will be. Especially now that more classes have a way to minimize their own.

[MoroMurasaki]

There is a lot of small arguments going on against reasons to have a parser right now but can anyone provide a reason that is not purely antecdotal for parsers to not be officially implimented?

If I'm not mistaken the only actual argument is "but toxicity" which, whether people like it or not, is not definitely going to increase with official parsers.

Also, as an aside, the idea that PS4 players aren't disadvantaged by their inability to run a parser is just factually false. Knowledge is power and going into any situation with less knowledge than the people around you is by definition disadvantageous. You could say they aren't crippled by it I suppose but to say we are on an even playing field to people with parsers is, again, just not true.