Built-in Parsers

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm not against a parsing option for console players. I've openly noted that. And I fully understand that a parser can allow someone to perhaps learn what I learned and maybe faster or with less difficulty. I encourage this, believe it or not.

I think the big difference here is what we see as a disadvantage. If it were just impossible to reach a level of skill without a parser that a player with one had, that would indisputably be a disadvantage. While I may be proud that I can do what I can do without one, I'm not so stubborn as to outright refuse to use one or refuse others.

I think he came onto you from what I pointed. According to all the data accumulated on MCH players parses you're perfoming on average at 19% of your job max damage potential.

Only 19?

Oh.

That's my grand reaction to that. Sure I could nitpick and point out circumstances or things I know behind the numbers that others don't, but given that my team and I cleared what was uploaded and I neither dragged them down nor wiped them (I did once recently. I was tired. It wasn't uploaded), I can sleep well at night besides.

Let's also not be coy about hidden logs, or the ones that don't get uploaded because they're bad or don't paint the picture we want others to see. Hell, I joked about it in one of my last videos because I'm hardly bothered by it, and because I'm not even the one uploading them (I mean if I were, I'd do like everyone else and only put up the good ones).

That said, since were throwing people's numbers out there (you know, one of those things that thing SE remains gunshy on adding parsers because of) do tell me you brought enough for the rest of the class?

[MoroMurasaki]

I'm not against a parsing option for console players. I've openly noted that. And I fully understand that a parser can allow someone to perhaps learn what I learned and maybe faster or with less difficulty. I encourage this, believe it or not.

I think the big difference here is what we see as a disadvantage. If it were just impossible to reach a level of skill without a parser that a player with one had, that would indisputably be a disadvantage. While I may be proud that I can do what I can do without one, I'm not so stubborn as to outright refuse to use one or refuse others.

But definitions aren't subject to feelings or "how we see" things. The dictionary defines disadvantage as the "absence or deprivation of advantage or equality" which is literally exactly what is being discussed here. PS4 players do not have access to a parser. A parser helps you do things better faster which is undoubtably advantageous. It is the absence of that advantage or equality (with PC players) and therefor by definition disadvantageous.

I wouldn't care about your poor word choice if it wasn't helping trolls argue against what I feel would be the largest positive change to happen in this game since I started playing it. You're providing them with a token console player who says "nah, its cool, everything is fine on console" when that is objecrively untrue.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

But definitions aren't subject to feelings or "how we see" things. The dictionary defines disadvantage as the "absence or deprivation of advantage or equality" which is literally exactly what is being discussed here. PS4 players do not have access to a parser. A parser helps you do things better faster which is undoubtably advantageous. It is the absence of that advantage or equality (with PC players) and therefor by definition disadvantageous.

I wouldn't care about your poor word choice if it wasn't helping trolls argue against what I feel would be the largest positive change to happen in this game since I started playing it. You're providing them with a token console player who says "nah, its cool, everything is fine on console" when that is objecrively untrue.

Let's break it down to a simple problem solving formula. Ask yourself this:

Can you do it?
Can you do it whether on PC or console?
Can you do it on either whether you have a parser or not?

We're not talking about "can you do it better or faster?", we've covered that. I mean, until doing it better or faster bears some kind of notable merit or reward, it's entirely secondary to those main points. If the answer to those questions, all three, is yes, then I ask where your disadvantage is? Not the definition, not secondary factors, just that baseline right there. If any one of those is a no, then wherein lies the disadvantage that prevents you from doing it? I can say that if any one of those were a no for me, or for console players universally, I'd likely be the loudest complaint.

Out of topic, I've seen some of your videos and they can be funny

Thank you. That truly means a lot to hear.

[DeaconMoore]

If any one of those is a no, then wherein lies the disadvantage that prevents you from doing it? I can say that if any one of those were a no for me, or for console players universally, I'd likely be the loudest complaint.

For me the answers to your question are all yes.

I have a question for you though, lets say we have 2 groups of players trying to clear a fight. The first group of players is a bunch of PC players with parsers. The second group of players is a bunch of Playstation players without parsers. Which group is better able to determine where the groups performance issues are?

[MoroMurasaki]

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We are now arguing about the size of the disadvantage we both have to deal with as PS4 players while you still can't or won't acknowledge that a disadvantage exists. I will respond this one last time, at this point you seem to understand exactly what I'm saying but you're just sticking to this narrative because you've dug your hole too deep.

Lets say we have 3 months to clear a piece of content before it starts taking nerfs. We have two midcore players, more or less identical, except one parses and one doesn't. Who clears first? Who gets that content on farm first? Who gains a more indepth understanding of the fight and it's mechanics first?

Doing things faster leaves you more time. More time to do those same things more or to do other things. More things generally means more rewards whether that's gear/tokens/tomestones/exp/whatever.

I am done going back and forth with you on this. I feel you're being deliberately obtuse and I don't understand why. I feel like anyone with the tiniest bit of common sense could and would understand this so whether it's your choice or not I won't bang my head against a wall any longer. I hope you apply logic to this some time soon and stop feeding ammo to the people arguing against your better interests.

[akaneakki]

I?

Out of topic, I've seen some of your videos and they can be funny