Built-in Parsers

[Rinuko]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

Would report for harassment.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

Sounds like you were doing your job and more. If nothing else you were definitely making effort. Don't let that tank or their parsing stop you from doing what you want.

[dotsforlife]

If they add it into the game it'll be at the end of FFXIV's lifespan (doubtful even then). Until then, if you're on PC, use it if you want to or don't. Doesn't really matter what another player thinks or how the devs feel about it because no one is going to ban you over it unless you're using it to harass someone. They won't even know you're using it unless you mouth off about it anyways.

[Claymore65]

Nope.

A personal parser is fine for perfecting your own personal rotation and experimenting with gear builds and such sure.

A group parser is needed to show you who you should be considering giving the boot. A personal parser can't serve this purpose.

This is the exact argument we want to avoid when it comes to parsing. Parsers should be used as a tool for improvement, not for exclusion.

There is a very deliberate attempt in this game to avoid excluding players from content, regardless of skill level. In various interviews, Yoshi-P has stated part of the reason he's avoided Talent Trees is the fear that people will exclude players who have the "wrong" builds. This game generally tries hard to avoid player harassment and cultivate a friendly community. It's debatable whether or not they've succeeded, but I think it's clearly an issue they take seriously.

I'm personally neutral on Parsers, but as long as the argument is "Give me Parsers so I can Kick Bads", we're not going to get them. If the argument were "Give me parsers so I can have the information to help myself and my team improve", then your argument seems a lot stronger. It should be a tool for Positive Reinforcement, not to shame others for their poor performance. Unfortunately, I'm unsure how you'd design a parser for that. Maybe it could work like a Combo Counter in Fighting Games, mentioning your DPS is "Excellent" when it's great, but staying silent if your performance is low. It would naturally encourage players to improve, without insulting them if they're not as skilled. Even then, it's a very fine line, and I understand why SE is hesitant to officially support it.

[DeaconMoore]

This is the exact argument we want to avoid when it comes to parsing. Parsers should be used as a tool for improvement, not for exclusion.

EDIT

If you want to be dishonest about it, sure.

E-peen and call outs are the top reasons to use it in them in fights. Learning/perfecting your rotation, experimenting on a target dummy is why you use it outside of fights.

[LaylaTsarra]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

Bet that tank uses his parser in Satasha baby too.

[AlexionSkylark]

E-peen and call outs are the top reasons to use it in them in fights.

And that's exactly the reason why they will never, EVER be officially supported.

[NintenPyjak64]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

In this scenario, reporting the person would be the best course of action. The fact they were parsing wasn't the problem, it was how they chose to use that information, which in this case was to attack you

E-peen and call outs are the top reasons to use it in them in fights.

Only imbeciles use parsers for that. These are the people that should be reported.
Also 9 times out of 10, those types of people have lower numbers overall then everybody else, they're POS players who just want to rustle your jimmies

You don't want to believe people can use parsers for improvement? Fine. But understand that parsing a dummy, and parsing a boss (Especially mechanic heavy fights) are 2 totally different things

[DeaconMoore]

You don't want to believe people can use parsers for improvement? Fine. But understand that parsing a dummy, and parsing a boss (Especially mechanic heavy fights) are 2 totally different things

You don't need a parser to tell you your dps is in the toilet when you're spending the fight dead or running around panicking. A mod like deadly boss mods helps you with mechanical problems, not a parser. If you told me your dps is low because you're learning your rotation, you'd get the boot. That's something you do on your own time before the raid, not during the raid wasting everyone's time.

[Taika]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

This is really not an argument against what's being asked for. I haven't seen anyone asking for a parser to be used in content like leveling or expert dungeons, especially against people's will.

The OP suggested separate queues for people who wish to use one and those who don't. I've suggested parser as a optional feature only to be allowed in premade parties (so not for duty finder roulettes with randoms, for example, and people would have the option to join or to not join a party that uses one). They're not needed in leveling or expert dungeons, but they're needed for things like Savage, and there's no reason to deny them from that content (especially if they're optional for players).