Black Mage

[Remedi]

Babysitting a class is not viable at endgame

Classes that bring nothing (yes, -nothing-. You say BLM doesn't need a raid buff probably in the ilk of "raw damage is utility" but damage IS utility, as outlined before) are not viable at endgame.

Classes that struggle to deal with movement/mechanics efficiently (losing the majority of damage due to movement) are not viable at endgame.

BLM is not viable at endgame.

No offense but you might want to say suboptimal, non viable would mean beign rockbottom in all departments and I'm afraid I cannot consider the 4th personal dps job in the game to be a broken job.

There's a huge difference between suboptimal and non viable pls let not mix words as they are very important and despite all the problems a BLM can still do pretty good on the content aside from ultimate true but we'll see on that too.

to make an example: some ppl are using SAM over DRG in ultimate and hitting the dps checks in ultimatedespite the huge raid dps.
Thing is ultimately the skill of the player plays a huge factor and it's a huge possibility that we are overestimating the effect on raid dps as a whole

[Komaru_Tatoro]

im talking about the upkeep of things and if it drops that what the side effect is. since it was mention earlier smn have dots swt etc etc akind to blm having to keep an eye out for ui/af, enochian, thunder dots etc.
and yes mistakes comes both way. thus why its non sense when it was said blm is is simple f4 refresh spam.

[Remedi]

The normal rotation of a BLM is idd easier than what a SMN has to actually do though, that aside BLM has a more of a quick thinking side of things and adaptation than SMN, which can idd considered harder in a way

[Komaru_Tatoro]

no way blm is quick thinking if you want good numbers. blm is all about learning the mechanics and timing when to ll or triple to efficiently stay on top of our A games. because in the end, if we dont effectively use the wholr duration of ll and being a turret at that time, its a waste of ll.

[Lelila38]

On paper Blm has an easy rotation, but try keeping that up while dancing to mechanics, while the boss jumps and you lose target (on principle always when you'd need to refresh af or ui), while you're constantly forced to move or while giving your healer mp.
It's always been that way, Blm is easy to learn but one of the hardest classes to master. At least that much is still true.

[Komaru_Tatoro]

no gonna lie. back in arr, i chose blm appose to smn because it was easy to perform. ever since hw, the introduction of enochian complicated things, in the other hand smn does the same usually with a few more ogcd and dwt. i played smn too and i know how it feels to manage the dots and loads of ogcd/gcd stuff you gotta do buy sb made it easier to combine dot teirs to one.
i still stuck with blm because it grew into me that i love the class.
all i want is to stand equally with other caster and not be an outcast because we blm cant bring any raid utility compare to the other 2.

On paper Blm has an easy rotation, but try keeping that up while dancing to mechanics, while the boss jumps and you lose target (on principle always when you'd need to refresh af or ui), while you're constantly forced to move or while giving your healer mp.
It's always been that way, Blm is easy to learn but one of the hardest classes to master. At least that much is still true.

totally agree

[Remedi]

no way blm is quick thinking if you want good numbers. blm is all about learning the mechanics and timing when to ll or triple to efficiently stay on top of our A games. because in the end, if we dont effectively use the wholr duration of ll and being a turret at that time, its a waste of ll.

Because of how bosses rotations interfere with our rotations sometimes you need to fix something on the fly like dropping a F4 for a fire to keep AF going, so yes BLM do have some quirks to them and you need to fix hiccups


Personally I would still consider BLM easier and more fun but that's my opinion

[Komaru_Tatoro]

but tell me, what cant the smn do, forquick thinking too? they got bunch of ogcd and ruin2 for movement.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Honestly it really does just boil down to numbers. Just look to logs and you can see that BLM is not in a good place compared to SMN given it gives no utility and raid dps. However small that raid buff may be- they still have more personal dps than BLM to go above and beyond their raid damage. And before anyone says "But da 90-99 percentile!" Sorry, that doesn't count- as those numbers tend to be speed clears and/or padded players simply for good logs. Look at everything below it and numbers speak for themselves.

[Komaru_Tatoro]

Honestly it really does just boil down to numbers. Just look to logs and you can see that BLM is not in a good place compared to SMN given it gives no utility and raid dps. However small that raid buff may be- they still have more personal dps than BLM to go above and beyond their raid damage. And before anyone says "But da 90-99 percentile!" Sorry, that doesn't count- as those numbers tend to be speed clears and/or padded players simply for good logs. Look at everything below it and numbers speak for themselves.

i guess you mean we should like compare all the caster and see at 75 or 80%tile what is that dps value comparison?